> On 31 Aug 2019, at 20:41, Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 9:46:21 PM UTC-5, Samiya wrote: > فَاذْكُرُونِي أَذْكُرْكُمْ وَاشْكُرُوا لِي وَلَا تَكْفُرُونِ > > So remember Me, I will remember you and be grateful to Me and (do) not (be) > ungrateful to Me. > [Al-Quran 2:152 <https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/152/>] > > The Quran does not discourage the HOW questions, rather it encourages humans > to ponder upon the creation, but it emphasises the WHY questions. God does > not need our help in creating, sustaining, destroying or recreating > everything. What He wants from us is realisation and acknowledgement for all > He has done, and is continuously doing, and to realise that there is great > purpose in all of this. > > For this reason religion has the effect of dulling minds. Science is about > asking how, it is not really about why questions that are more in the > philosophical domain.
There is no reason to not exige as much rigour in philosophy than in any other domain or inquiry. Theology has been rigorous for one millenium, but 1500 years of dogma made us forget this. > Paul in one of his epistles admonishes against study of the world because one > is worshiping the "creature" and not the creator. As such this sort of > religious ideology induces people to focus on "the Truth," or really some > illusion of such, and they lose the ability to ascertain whether some > proposition has some probability or reason for being true or false. When > religion takes over you get a dark age. When fake religion, or dogmatic religion, takes over. That leads to absence of (genuine) religion. > The expansion of the influence of Christian fundamentalism is one reason the > US has this orange baboon, or Godzilla, as President. People are becoming > stupid, and this unfortunately appears to be a trend in the rest of the world > as well. It is just that we have not yet transformed the Renaissance. Not all science have come back to reason. We are still leaving theology in the hand of people advocating (if not imposing) dogma. The entire God/Non-God debate hides the original questioning of the greek, where the question was about the existence of the universe, not of God, which is a nickname for the truth that we search, with the (enlighten) understanding that nobody can claim to have found it. It is the separation of theology from science which has made some people thinking that science = truth, and religion = fiction, when (of course) science is doubt, especially about the ontology commitment, be them personal and impersonal. > > Please, I wish this religious stuff were taken somewhere else. Religion has > no more sense than if I wish upon a star my fairy godmother will come, > transubstantiate mice and a pumpkin into a horse drawn coach and take me to > eternal bliss --- or happy ever after. It is all just magical thinking and > ultimately preposterous nonsense. It can be, but biology has become a similar non sense in the materialist dogmatic USRR. It is not the domain which is a problem, but the use of dogma, and the discouragement of the doubt, and that is insane, but is not “religion”, it is the fake religion that we deserve as long as we don’t let the domain to come back to reason and experiences. Bruno > > LC > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/09e49351-9bd8-41b4-b6c0-d640dd0f7531%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/09e49351-9bd8-41b4-b6c0-d640dd0f7531%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9E77B10A-AAE7-4889-AA54-487A1E823CFA%40ulb.ac.be.
