On 9/1/2019 4:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 1 Sep 2019, at 02:51, spudboy100 via Everything List
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This, I like Bruno. For me(not you!) T
Proselytism is a symptom of lack of trust in “God"’s power (In
advertising notably).
The Boltzmann Brain conjecture, as to the Universe & God, to my mind,
the same, seems workable as anything else in cosmology. Because I
like it doesn't make it true, but the hypothesis does make it a bit
for fun (for me). In my imagination,. I feel it's a good idea to tap
God on the shoulder and ask our questions, politely, How'd you do
this? How'd you do that? More, specifically, how do you store
information?
Of course, the Boltzmann brain conjecture is simply a theorem in
elementary arithmetic, once we work in the Mechanist frame. The simple
UD program
For all i, j, s, computes the s first steps of phi_i(j)
Generates all information and stores it at all the relevant place,
always in number. In particular, this generates all Boltzmann bBrains,
in fact all Brains, digital machines, universal numbers.
The problem is not to generate them or to show why they aren't
generated. It's to explain why we aren't, with probability 1, Boltzmann
brains.
Brent
For example, you can store the registers (a, b, c, d, e, f) where a,
b, c, are numbers coding already some informations, in the number
(2^a)(3^b)(5^c)(7^d)(11^e)(13^f).
Then the fundamental theorem of arithmetic (the uniqueness of the
ordered decomposition into power of prime factors) guarantied that you
can, by elementary addition and multiplication retrieve the
information in the relevant context.
So, information is stored n the numbers themselves, when we encode the
program in elementary arithmetic.
Bruno
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Subject: Re: Quantum Foam
On 29 Aug 2019, at 04:46, Samiya Illias <[email protected]
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فَاذْكُرُونِي أَذْكُرْكُمْ وَاشْكُرُوا لِي وَلَا تَكْفُرُونِ
So remember Me, I will remember you and be grateful to Me and (do)
not (be) ungrateful to Me.
[Al-Quran 2:152 <https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/152/>]
The Quran does not discourage the HOW questions, rather it
encourages humans to ponder upon the creation, but it emphasises the
WHY questions.
That makes sense. Unfortunately some read the Quran literally, which
is non-sensical.
God does not need our help in creating, sustaining, destroying or
recreating everything.
You can't know this for sure.
Also, “Our help” might be ambiguous.
What He wants from us is realisation and acknowledgement for all He
has done, and is continuously doing, and to realise that there is
great purpose in all of this.
The Quran, like The Bible, gives us insights about Allah, but at the
same time informs us that God is not like anything else. So we
cannot imagine or compare God with anything.
…including a person a priori. But this might be the reason why “God"
has truly no name, and that we have to be cautious when using some
“nicname”, “parabola" and “images” or “words".
The danger is obvious. Any claim of “knowing "God” transform the
discourse into an authoritative argument, which concerning the
divine, leads to the worst case scenario. It prevents people of just
*perhaps* approaching “God", and it can make people repeating
propositions without genuine inner understanding for long period.
Proselytism is a symptom of lack of trust in “God"’s power (In
advertising notably).
There is truly no intermediate between a subject and the big one
which has no name.
Text are ladders, but should be left behind eventually.(The more we
understand our ignorance, and works its mathematical structure).
I don’t know if any of this is true, but it is already said by the
sound (Löbian) Universal Machine, using reasonable definition of
“believe”, “know”, etc. It also follows informally, arguably, from
the mechanist hypothesis.
The Muslims and the Christians have already had Neoplatonist periods,
like with the Islamic Golden Age. I do think that this is still alive
in our heart.
But today, many schools get agressive. That signals many con men around.
Bruno
We can only have an idea... I have tried to explore some of these
ayaat in a series of posts, which might be of interest to you:
https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/p/allah.html
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 3:59 AM spudboy100 via Everything List
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You need to answer the How questions of physics, before you can
properly look at the Why questions of religion (yours), and
philosophy. One possibility that I find compelling (and it is
never a complete answer) is that God is a Boltzmann Brain, and
the Universe might be, in some fashion that particular a
Boltzmann Brain. Most here on this mailing group despises this
notion, (which is ok by me!).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain
In 2004, a German physicist, Andreas Albrecht, reviewed the
Boltzmann equations and sort of pondered this, a bit.
http://albrecht.ucdavis.edu/special-topics/inflation-arrow-time
A couple of years before, the Yahoodi physicist, Leonard
Susskind had also looked at this possibility.
https://events.stanford.edu/events/138/13871/
Neither of these guys turned religious at all, but their
speculations still stands. It makes as much sense as the
conventional models of the cosmos, and yield the added, benefit,
of suspecting in all this emptiness (apparently) that there's a
Big Mind out there. Maybe God is akin to a computer operating
system, compared to us microbes? For me, it's sort of inspiring.
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From: Samiya Illias <[email protected]
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Sent: Wed, Aug 28, 2019 12:15 am
Subject: Re: Quantum Foam
On 28-Aug-2019, at 9:01 AM, Philip Thrift <[email protected]
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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 5:55:36 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
I came across a good article that is apposite to the
discussion in this thread. Arnold Neumaier has an article
on virtual particles at:
https://www.physicsforums.com/ insights/vacuum-fluctuation-
myth/
<https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/vacuum-fluctuation-myth/>
where he looks at the origin of much of the common
mythology surrounding the idea of vacuum fluctuations and
virtual particles. People should read this and take the
lessons to heart -- all of this mythology arose from
well-meaning, but ultimately mis-guided, attempts to
explain the mysteries of quantum mechanics to lay people.
The result was enduring confusion, that now affects even
professional physicists.
Bruce
Very interesting fellow. Interesting article. I was intrigued
reading the link there to his biography of himself being math
to applied math ending up in computing and dabbling in physics.
Sounded like me!
Then
Two years after my Ph.D., my formerly atheistic world view
changed and I became a Christian. I got convinced that there is
a very powerful God
<http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~neum/sciandf/eng/arms.html> who
created the Universe, who controls what appears to us as
chance, and who is interested in each of us individually. I
understood (with Galilei, and later Newton and Maxwell) that
God had written the book of nature in the language of
mathematics. As a result of these insights, one of my life
goals became to understand all the important applications of
mathematics in other fields of science, engineering, and
ordinary life. It is a challenge that keeps me learning all my
life.
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/interview-mathematician-physicist-arnold-neumaier/
@philipthrift
I pray may Allah bless you with faith. He has already blessed
you with much knowledge and understanding. May He choose you to
serve Him with reverence.
Samiya
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