On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:31 AM Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> The reality of being prime means being unable to be divided by any > integer except for itself and 1, > > >*OK.* > > >> and if the amount of computation possible in the expanding > accelerating universe is finite then beyond a finite point no integer can > be so divided, > > *>More precisely; no integer can be divided by a physical instantiation of > some program.* > I see no reason to think your language was more precise than mine. > >> so EVERY integer beyond that is prime. > > > Which is of course absurd, > No, it just means the concept of prime has reached the limit of its applicability. Newton's theory wasn't absurd, it's just not the appropriate thing to use where gravity is super strong or things move super fast. >> Meaning needs contrast, if every number has the property of being prime > then beyond that point the very concept of prime loses its meaning. > > *> Absolutely. * > So, assuming the universe really is incapable of making a infinite number of calculations, only use the concept of prime for numbers less than that point, and that point, although finite, will be huge to the huge power. > > *Here either you lie, or you confuse against the hypothesis of > indexical digital mechanism (YD + CT),* > And you forget IHA. > > *and its conclusion “physics is a ranch of machine’s theology*” [...] > And that is my cue to skip to the next paragraph. > *Some natural numbers are universal Turing machine* > A universal Turing machine, or any sort of machine for that matter, needs to be able to **do** something, and numbers, natural or otherwise, can't * *do** anything. > > I have given the (rather standard) definitions, > And I have said examples are what's important, all definitions are derivative and dreaming up a new definition in no way enhances our understanding of how the world works. > > *See Davis’ book, or Gödel’s 1931 paper* > Can Davis’ book or Gödel’s 1931 paper make a calculation? > *> The successor function, which sends n on n+1* [...] > Stop right there! Sends? How does the function "send" anything anywhere, how exactly does it *do* that? Does the function need energy to *do" it? Is it instantaneous or does it take time? And after the function turns 5 into 6 does that mean the integer 5 no longer exists? And what happened to the old #6 after the new guy moved in? *> Elementary Arithmetic, like LISP, Fortran, the game of life, or even > quite amazingly the Diophantine polynomials, are all example of Turing > universal system.* > I agree, and a crucial part of the system is a computer (or a brain) made of matter that obeys the laws of physics to run the software on. > > *The Newtoinian world does violate the physics extracted from > Mechanism,* > Who knows? who cares? The definition of "Mechanism" in English is "a system of parts working together in a machine", but that's not what it means in Brunospeak, last week it meant "saying yes to the digital doctor", however this week "Mechanism" is defined differently in Brunospeak and I refuse to study it because you'll just change it to something else next week. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1SDQ22Uyu%3D50kX4FTNy_LBgcvWZGeYEy-DhnUVQ8GbyA%40mail.gmail.com.
