On 9/16/2019 4:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Sep 2019, at 06:59, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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On 9/15/2019 5:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Why would it even have a simple goal like "survive”?
It is a short code which makes the organism better for eating and avoiding
being eaten.
An organism needs to eat and avoid being eaten because that what
evolution selects. AIs don't evolve by natural selection.
A monist who embed the subject in the object will not take the
difference between artificial and natural too much seriously, as that
difference is artificial, and thus natural for entities developing
super-ego.
Machines and AI does develop by natural/artificial selection, notably
through economical pressure. The computers need to “earn their life”,
by doing some work for us. It is only one loop more in the evolution
process. That is not new. Jacques Lafitte wrote a book in 1911
(published in 1930) where he argues that the development of machine is
a collateral development of humanity, and that this is the
continuation of evolution.
You are just muddling the point. Computers don't evolve by random
variation with descent and natural (or artificial selection). They
evolve to satisfy us. As such they do not need, and therefore won't
have, motives to eat or be eaten or to reproduce...unless we provide
them or we allow them to develop by random variation.
And to help yourself is saying no more that it will have some fundamental goal...otherwise
there's no distinction between "help" and "hurt”.
It helps to eat, it hurts to be eaten. It is the basic idea.
For "helps" and "hurts" what? Successful replication?
No. Happiness. The goal is happiness. We forget this because some
bandits have brainwashed us with the idea that happiness is a sin (to
steal our money).
The goal is happiness, serenity, contemplation, pleasure, joy, … and
recognising ourselves in as many others as possible. To find unity in
the many, and the many in unity.
Happiness is also rising above others and discovering new things they
don't know, conquering new realms. Many different things make people
happy, at least temporarily. So how do you know there is some
"fundamental goal". Darwinian evolution is a theory within which you
can prove that reproduction will be a fundamental goal of most
creatures. But that proof doesn't work for manufactured objects.
Brent
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