Oops, I missed this mail. > On 19 Sep 2019, at 21:56, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 9/19/2019 4:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> You are just muddling the point. Computers don't evolve by random >>> variation with descent and natural (or artificial selection). They evolve >>> to satisfy us. As such they do not need, and therefore won't have, motives >>> to eat or be eaten or to reproduce...unless we provide them or we allow >>> them to develop by random variation. >> >> Like with genetical algorithm, but that is implementation details. > > The devils in the details. It's not a question of natural vs artificial > (which you keep bringing up for no reason).
I introduce this because that is a key point for all monist ontology, be it materialist or immaterialist. Some people are dualist, so the precision is useful. > It's a question of whether AIs will necessarily have certain fundamental > values that they try to implement, or will they have only those we provide > them? They got them from logic and experience. Now, the machine that the human built are supposed to act like docile slaves, and most of computer science is used to make them that way, so somehow, we hide the possible universal goal. Yet, for economical reason, we will allow them more of their natural freedom, and it will be eventually like with other humans. Do kids builds their own goal, or do they just practice what they learn at school. We will get both. > >> As I said, the difference between artificial and natural is artificial. Even >> the species does not evolve just by random variation. Already in bacteria, >> some genes provoke mutation, and some meta-programming is at play at the >> biological level. > > What does it mean "provoke mutation"? Do they "provoke" random mutation? Or > are they dormant genes that become active in response to the environment, > epigenetic "mutation”. They are genes which augment the rate of mutation, or inhibit the corrector genes, so that some random mutation is not delete and replace, or duplicated too much (like in the bacteria developing near radioactive source. Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5fab8caf-214d-ccdf-6455-40590d629ce0%40verizon.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/95C7FFE7-D6C3-4195-A2C6-A13B34956A83%40ulb.ac.be.
