On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 2:44:05 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Sep 2019, at 17:00, Alan Grayson <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 4:02:09 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> I think he means one can replace a human brain and/or nervous system with >> computer microchips and consciousness will be preserved, or perfectly >> simulated so the person who says "Yes doctor", will awake from the surgery >> thinking he/she's the same person, like awakening from unremarkable >> surgery. From my pov, this belief is a huge, huge stretch since we can even >> define what consciousness IS. AG >> > > Bruno; does "Yes doctor" mean that a patient accepts as fact that removing > his/her brain and/or nervous system and replacing it with microcircuits > preserving the same functions, yields a surgical result such that the > patient upon awakening seems to him or herself, and others, as the same > "person" who previously approved the surgery? > > > The patient cannot accept this as a fact. It is something he can hope > only. Then, if mechanism is true, by definition he was correct, but even > after the operation, he cannot claim that as a fact, despite its personal > impression. He might have lose a faculty and not be aware of it, like > people can become blind and be unaware of the change, in some special brain > disease (anosognosia). > > > > Is this the essence of mechanism? If not, please elaborate. TIA, AG > > > > Yes, it is mechanism, but it requires an act of faith. > > Now, to be sure, taking a plane, or even a bike, requires some faith too, > but here, that play an important role in the sequel, and so that nuance has > to be taken into account. > > Rational machine have a surrational corona extending what they can > justify. That corona has a precise mathematical structure, and is used to > derive the laws of physics from arithmetic. > > Bruno >
Can you name one law you have established or proved using your theory? AG > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/f2deceff-c0b2-4991-b54b-c8b78a8b46e8%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/f2deceff-c0b2-4991-b54b-c8b78a8b46e8%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/fe2e890d-9b61-4f0a-9874-9236c218b553%40googlegroups.com.
