On Sunday, September 29, 2019 at 2:56:01 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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> On 9/29/2019 1:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
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> On Sunday, September 29, 2019 at 12:31:15 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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>> On 9/15/2019 5:51 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
>> > The claim of panprotopsychism* is not that simple material (or in
>> > this case, arithmetical) entities think, but they manifest the
>> > (proto-thinking) ingredients that when combined into more complex
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>> But then it adds nothing to the materialist theory that thinking is a
>> certain process that some sufficiently complex systems can do.
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>> Brent
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> Some AI scientists say that an AI can't really think until it is
> conscious. So the most advanced Watson (can answer any academic question in
> a Wikipedia-automatic way) or whatever can't be said to be a thinking
> machine. So if one thinks consciousness is a real thing, then what does
> "complex" mean for a system to be conscious?
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> Whatever you meant by it: "... they manifest the (proto-thinking)
> ingredients that when combined into more *complex* entities think."
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> Brent
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> Obviously consciousness is material because the matter in our skulls
> (sometimes) has it, and matter is all there is.
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> But what is the "complex" (what does that word even mean?) nature of that
> matter?
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What I was thinking :) there is what would be called *material
(chemical/biological) complexity*, vs. other meanings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexity#Varied_meanings
It's true the "complex/complexity" term is used too loosely: A sort of *deus
ex complexitus* where something can just happen because, you know,
complexity makes it work.
@phiipthrift
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