On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 11:48:33 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 11:30:19 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/12/2019 7:21 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 8:07:46 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/12/2019 5:46 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> What does "realized" mean? made real? Being real is a metaphysical >>>>> concept. Bohr never said anything about components of a superposition >>>>> being real. He famously said “Physics is not about how the world is, >>>>> it is about what we can say about the world” and “Everything we call real >>>>> is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.” >>>>> >>>>> Brent >>>>> >>>> >>>> The latter comment is ridiculous. Aren't protons, neutrons and >>>> electrons real? >>>> >>>> >>>> Ask Bohr. You never answer my questions; why should I answer yours. >>>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>> >>> What questions haven't I answered??? AG >>> >>> >>> Scan up until you see this symbol "?" >>> >>> Brent >>> >> >> I explained what "realized" means by giving an example; S's cat, alive >> and dead simultaneously. >> >> >> That's a representation in the theory. Every measurement that "realizes" >> its state finds it to be one or the other. So what's the operational >> significance of "being realized"? Schroedinger's whole point was that an >> alive and dead cat is never *realized*. >> >> Brent >> > > As I previously suggested, since there is no operator that has those cat > states as eigenstates, S's example was probably meant to falsify the then > prevailing (and continuing) interpretation of superposition, as it leads to > an absurdity. It's not just about the cat! But the case of spin could be an > exception to my general claim that it's a fallacy to interpret a > superposition to mean the system so described, is in all component states > simultaneously. AG >
S's cat scenario was not simply about the fate of a cat. After all, we already knew a cat can't be alive and dead simultaneously. It must have been to show the fallacy of the prevailing interpretation of superposition. AG > >> >> Also, I said I would get back to you about spin superpositions when I >> have time to research the issue. Other than those items, I honestly have no >> idea what you're complaining about. Try asking me again. AG >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/57880cde-6295-4459-95c5-2d5ecef15133%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/57880cde-6295-4459-95c5-2d5ecef15133%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/976a90fa-1b3f-4f0f-9f09-bc78f93d4548%40googlegroups.com.
