> On 22 Oct 2019, at 08:47, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List 
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> 
> Prove there is something outside consciousness!

In which theory?

Proving is a relative notion. 

Proving a proposition does not make it necessarily true? It depends on the 
axioms, which usually are not provable or justifiable. At some point we have to 
rely to our intuition.

The argument “prove there is something outside consciousness” is close to 
solipsism. I certainly bet that you and your body is outside “my human 
consciousness”.

The real problem of assuming consciousness, or assuming matter, is that this 
assumes what some of us want to understand/explain from simpler notions.

Bruno



> 
> On Tuesday, 22 October 2019 03:27:03 UTC+3, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
> 
> Idealism is of course rather silly. The idea that all that exists is 
> consciousness is a "feel good" idea that is utterly preposterous.
> 
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