On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 4:49 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> *>>>> "The dependability of counterfactually definite values is a basic >>>> assumption, which, together with "time asymmetry" and "local causality" led >>>> to the Bell inequalities. Bell showed that the results of experiments >>>> intended to test the idea of hidden variables would be predicted to fall >>>> within certain limits based on all three of these assumptions"* >>> >>> >>> *>>> That is false*. >>> >> >> >> So Wikipedia says one thing and world class authority on Quantum >> Mechanics Bruce Kellett says the oposite (see reference below). I will >> let others on this list decide for themselves which one is more likely to >> be correct, >> > > *> I think the real issue here is* [...] > The real issue here is that this is *THE SECOND TIME* in just 4 days where you, Bruce Kellett, claimed to know more about Quantum Mechanics than Wikipedia. In addition to the above I gave *ANOTHER* quote that contradicted something else that you were saying: "*R**ealism is "counterfactual definiteness", the idea that it is possible to meaningfully describe as definite the result of a measurement which, in fact, has not been performed (i.e. the ability to assume the existence of objects, and assign values to their properties, even when they have not been measured)*." You dismissed that fact with a wave of your hand and contemptuously said: *"Gosh, you must have had to troll through an awful lot of stuff on Wikipedia to find that particular definition of realism."* If you are as impervious to the influence of facts as a Trump fan is, and it seems that you are, then I see little reason why I should continue this debate with you. *>When a person deliberately deletes relevant context in order to ridicule > a statement, it is called trolling.* And if I am just a Troll then you are just feeding the Troll by continuing to debate with me. I will end by saying I really think you should follow the advice I gave you in my previous post, although I'm not sure it's anatomically possible. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3B16SbbR_ix0D0AcbUXLRvNY58EkSqyGC5oBcFSXdQ_A%40mail.gmail.com.
