On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 4:49 PM Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *>>>> "The dependability of counterfactually definite values is a basic >>>> assumption, which, together with "time asymmetry" and "local causality" led >>>> to the Bell inequalities. Bell showed that the results of experiments >>>> intended to test the idea of hidden variables would be predicted to fall >>>> within certain limits based on all three of these assumptions"* >>> >>> >>> *>>> That is false*. >>> >> >> >> So Wikipedia says one thing and world class authority on Quantum >> Mechanics Bruce Kellett says the oposite (see reference below). I will >> let others on this list decide for themselves which one is more likely to >> be correct, >> > > *> I think the real issue here is* [...] > The real issue here is that this is *THE SECOND TIME* in just 4 days where you, Bruce Kellett, claimed to know more about Quantum Mechanics than Wikipedia. In addition to the above I gave *ANOTHER* quote that contradicted something else that you were saying: "*R**ealism is "counterfactual definiteness", the idea that it is possible to meaningfully describe as definite the result of a measurement which, in fact, has not been performed (i.e. the ability to assume the existence of objects, and assign values to their properties, even when they have not been measured)*." You dismissed that fact with a wave of your hand and contemptuously said: *"Gosh, you must have had to troll through an awful lot of stuff on Wikipedia to find that particular definition of realism."* If you are as impervious to the influence of facts as a Trump fan is, and it seems that you are, then I see little reason why I should continue this debate with you. *>When a person deliberately deletes relevant context in order to ridicule > a statement, it is called trolling.* And if I am just a Troll then you are just feeding the Troll by continuing to debate with me. I will end by saying I really think you should follow the advice I gave you in my previous post, although I'm not sure it's anatomically possible. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3B16SbbR_ix0D0AcbUXLRvNY58EkSqyGC5oBcFSXdQ_A%40mail.gmail.com.
