> On 2 Jan 2020, at 12:39, Philip Thrift <cloudver...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 7:14:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 1/1/2020 2:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Where to people get the idea that there are any non-material things? It's >> baffled me to see that people believe in that all my life (or since high >> school days anyway). It's just plain weird. > > Perhaps it's because there are predicates and relations of material things. > > Brent > > > > To me - and I think this is consistent with other neopramatists [ Richard > Rorty, etc. "drawing inspiration from John Dewey, Martin Heidegger, Wilfrid > Sellars, W. V. O. Quine, Jacques Derrida" - > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism> ], predicates and relations are > (just) linguistic entities that appear in sentences.
This is an example of the confusion between the fact that 2+2=4 and the sentence “2+2=4”. The difference here is as big as the difference between Hubble and a far away galaxy, or between a brain and a thought. > They are - as written sequences of letters (like you are looking at right now > on a laptop or smartphone, which are probably just electronic dots on a > screen of pixels, so 100% material) when combined - become operators to be > used in the language 'game’. Ostensive pointing is dream able, and as such cannot be used as a logical argument in favour of any ontology. That is also why the mystic machine remains mute on this. We just cannot take a primary physical reality for granted if we do metaphysics with the scientific attitude. We have to start from the simpler theory, and add axioms only if needed, as a last resort. Bruno > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/49bc4091-931f-41c0-a7c1-018118548e57%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/49bc4091-931f-41c0-a7c1-018118548e57%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/BBE22166-15F1-4EB6-8E4C-3C3DFF759759%40ulb.ac.be.
