> On 2 Jan 2020, at 12:39, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 at 7:14:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 1/1/2020 2:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Where to people get the idea that there are any non-material things? It's >> baffled me to see that people believe in that all my life (or since high >> school days anyway). It's just plain weird. > > Perhaps it's because there are predicates and relations of material things. > > Brent > > > > To me - and I think this is consistent with other neopramatists [ Richard > Rorty, etc. "drawing inspiration from John Dewey, Martin Heidegger, Wilfrid > Sellars, W. V. O. Quine, Jacques Derrida" - > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopragmatism> ], predicates and relations are > (just) linguistic entities that appear in sentences.
This is an example of the confusion between the fact that 2+2=4 and the sentence “2+2=4”. The difference here is as big as the difference between Hubble and a far away galaxy, or between a brain and a thought. > They are - as written sequences of letters (like you are looking at right now > on a laptop or smartphone, which are probably just electronic dots on a > screen of pixels, so 100% material) when combined - become operators to be > used in the language 'game’. Ostensive pointing is dream able, and as such cannot be used as a logical argument in favour of any ontology. That is also why the mystic machine remains mute on this. We just cannot take a primary physical reality for granted if we do metaphysics with the scientific attitude. We have to start from the simpler theory, and add axioms only if needed, as a last resort. Bruno > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/49bc4091-931f-41c0-a7c1-018118548e57%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/49bc4091-931f-41c0-a7c1-018118548e57%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/BBE22166-15F1-4EB6-8E4C-3C3DFF759759%40ulb.ac.be.
