On 1/23/2020 11:29 AM, Philip Thrift wrote:
On Thursday, January 23, 2020 at 9:33:23 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Sean Carroll is right, we can only study the shadows on the cave
wall, but we can judge plausible the idea that they are only that:
shadows of a deeper reality, and not the fundamental reality itself.
Bruno
Sean Carroll expresses a Platonist vs. Kantian view.
Carroll was pointing out the fallacy of the Platonist idea that we
achieve true knowledge by pure contemplation, i.e. mathematics and
philosophy, and are only deceived by the senses.
Brent
Plato's Cave (Platonism) vs. Kant's Noumenon (Kantianism)
/The allegory is probably related to Plato's theory of Forms,
according to which the "Forms" (or "Ideas"), and not the material
world known to us through sensation, possess the highest and most
fundamental kind of reality. /
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave
/Humans can make sense out of phenomena in these various ways, but in
doing so can never know the "things-in-themselves", the actual objects
and dynamics of the natural world in their noumenal dimension - this
being the negative correlate to phenomena and that which escapes the
limits of human understanding. By Kant's Critique, our minds may
attempt to correlate in useful ways, perhaps even closely accurate
ways, with the structure and order of the various aspects of the
universe, but cannot know these "things-in-themselves" (noumena)
directly. Rather, we must infer the extent to which the human rational
faculties can reach the object of "things-in-themselves" by our
observations of the manifestations of those things that can be
perceived via the physical senses, that is, of phenomena, and by
ordering these perceptions in the mind infer the validity of our
perceptions to the rational categories used to understand them in a
rational system, this rational system (transcendental analytic), being
the categories of the understanding as free from empirical contingency./
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noumenon#Kant's_usage
@philipthrift
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