[Philip Benjamin]
Questions:
1 . Property of what? Of space? Of matter? Will not "...the idea of
consciousness being the property that expands space" deprive "consciousness" of
its ontological nature?
2 . Quantum reality? Isn't it the reality of "quantum (least measurable,
quantifiable unit) particles"-PARTICLES nonetheless?
3 . Isn't the PHYSICAL reality that of " Wave-likeness of real particles" and
not the imaginary waviness and the imaginary creation of
artificial puzzles and paradoxes?
4 . "... Many years working closely with people with developmental
disabilities taught me this". Addiction to alcohol, drugs,
sex, occultism, sorcery, gambling etc. often have verisimilar
consequences as developmental disabilities. Some of the pioneers
of quantum physics were addicts, otherwise psychiatrist (& a sorcerer)
Carl Jung would not have been a contributing
"quantum pioneer".
5 . " Understanding of cause and effect and logic", "individual
consciousness seems to have the desire to exist", " to exist it
needs something to exist in", "empty space expanding"? These are
questions of aseity, causality, origin, meaning (desire), telos
etc. which do not belong to the realm of any objective science.
6 . In fact all these issues do not deal with the question of "what is
consciousness?", rather they deal with "what an individual is
conscious of?" There is the world out there and the world within? An
expanding empty space is an oxymoron. So also self-
consciousness is another oxymoron when "self" is not real. If self is
real and invisible the only candidate available for science today
is bio dark-matter (of negligible mass) with its bio dark-matter
chemistry, cocreating the resonant "dark" and "light" twins from the
moment of conception.
Closed thinking is tunnel vision. It is an established hierarchical,
inflexible task based path. Here one does not think about much more than
getting routines done. A more spatial, tolerant and relaxed open mode thinking
will require breaking ranks with the establishment swamp.
Philip Benjamin
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Roland Cichowski
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 6:34 AM
To: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words,
definitions, and Many "Worlds")
.......
The analogy to the idea of consciousness being the property that expands space
is of course a good one. ......
. ....... Someone involved in understanding what quantum reality is with all
its concepts can be likened to being the weaver weaving the rug. ....... the
transference of energy back and forth and those who seek the bigger picture of
the quantum reality are in effect out there trying to determine the nature of
the loom itself and how it is supporting all these warp and weft threads.
...... They want to be able to see the design and complete it in order to bring
it into reality. Who conceives the original design, well that is another
issue.........
Our realities must seem to make sense to us or they and we would not function
properly. Many years working closely with people with developmental
disabilities taught me this. I owe some of my understanding to them.
We need to understand the laws of physics and the process of cause and effect
and logic. If we don't what is going on around us becomes an even more
confusing process and we lessen the means we might have to operate within it.
This is what many of those who fail to develop normally experience. Put simply
they create disorganised and chaotic rugs and fail to make sense of them at all.
In being so focused on the problem of weaving a rug (physical reality) we miss
the obvious and that is that no matter how beautiful the rug is that is being
woven is; it is not where consciousness is. Consciousness has to reside in the
weaver not the rug and few take the time to examine who and what the weaver is.
......... Therefore to all those who become too embroiled in the construction
of the rug (physical reality) I would say this is not going to give you the
knowledge of who or what the weaver (consciousness) is. Of course the weaver
represents us or to be more precise our individual consciousness. If you
consider the situation presented by the weaver and their creation of a rug you
can perceive the problem of consciousness more easily.
At least, originally the interest of most on this list was to solve the problem
of consciousness...... Your awareness and the nature of the consciousness you
seek is always going to be residing in the weaver not the rug. It is you that
is conscious not the world around you, which is just a projection of
consciousness.......... In attempting to define the nature of empty space we
can place our self in the position of consciousness or the weaver. Just as the
weaver is creating (expanding) the rug so consciousness would seem to be the
force which is expanding or creating space. It is a space within, which a rug
can exist.
I don't know if this explains how or why consciousness does this apart from
that it would seem to have the desire to exist. Perhaps to exist it needs
something to exist in and expands the sensation of space around it, don't you
think.
All the best. Roland
------ Original Message ------ From: "Roland Cichowski" <rolandshh@
><mailto:[email protected]> To: "'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via
Consciousness-Online"
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> Sent:
Sunday, 7 Feb, 21 At 02:05 Subject: Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling
Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")
Defining a point?
Brilliant Rosemary.
SPACE: can/could be defined as a point which has no external boundaries.
It has the potential for expansion in any direction.
Normally we experience it from three dimensions but it has a fourth which we
call time.
Empty: can be defined as possessing no contents it is void of anything. So: can
a point have no contents and if it should expand what would be within it?
To take up a perspective from within a point you can conjecture an infinite
expansion. For a point has no boundary.
But if it has no content (empty) it is no more than a point and not even you
can be within it.
To take up a perspective external to a point then that perspective suggests a
space within which there is a point. It is not empty. The space has a point
within it. To place yourself (consciousness) within a point creates the
impression of emptiness extending infinitely all around you. This impression is
within your consciousness. Your consciousness is within the point. This means
that the point is not empty it contains your consciousness. This is what you
experience when you conjecture or imagine empty space.
However, it can only be conjectured when you are present within that space so
such a space is never truly empty it contains your consciousness.
Thus a point becomes (a point of consciousness) consciousness. It suggests that
only consciousness exists. All is mind!
Within that conscious point all of phenomenal experience is created.
Empty your mind and you will find you are a point of conscious awareness
filling or extending yourself into empty space. We tend to find this an
intolerable existence, especially for eternity. We therefore fill it.
Empty space can be said to exist but only as a concept within your mind.
How creative is the conscious mind.
All the best Roland
On 5/02/2021 4:38, 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online wrote:
define empty space
------ Original Message ------ From: "Philip Benjamin"
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"[email protected]"<mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> Sent:
Thursday, 4 Feb, 21 At 14:54 Subject: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling
Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On
Behalf Of Alan Grayson Thursday, February 4, 2021 5:12 AM")
[Alan Grayson <agrayson2000 .com<mailto:[email protected]>>]
"However if the sphere is primarily made of empty space and empty space
contains energy then things would be different because unlike an expanding
sphere made of sand the density of mass /energy inside an expanding sphere of
empty space would not decrease with expansion,..."
[Philip Benjamin]
Quantum vacuum is a very common logical fallacy. First of all "quantum" is the
least measure of anything that does or can exist.Anything
is a THING not NOTHING. If nothing ever existed, nothing CAN all that exist
today! Ex nihilo nihil fit (Parmenides). Energy is SOMETHING. Quantum vacuum
technically means the smallest unit of a vacuum, which is meaningless if vacuum
is NOTHING.
1 . Where did this vacuum energy come from? 2 . Does vacuum energy possess
aseity? 3. What is MORE reasonable-aseity of dead vacuum energy or aseity of
LIFE? 4. Nothing can SELF-CREATE-nothing can BE before it can BE. That is a
logical contradiction. In fact, it is against all laws of logic. 5 .How do you
account for life in any of the Many Worlds? Is there Many World Chemistries? 5
. Why equate WAVE_LIKENESS with WAVINESS-quantum particle always remains
particle, it may BEHAVE wavelike.
Philip Benjamin
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