On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 8:25:48 PM UTC-5 Lawrence Crowell wrote:

> About every century some regions of the world enters into a sort of 
> mass-psychosis. Last century it was Russia, Italy, Japan and the crowing 
> evil in Nazi Germany. In college I took a general studies course in 
> anthropology, where it was noted that about every 3 to 4 generation tribes 
> of people would become more gregarious. We seem to be on queue for the next 
> big tango, and we Americans are getting poised to be the big crazies this 
> time. Since the industrial revolution the body count with these has 
> multiplied by a factor of 10. We also have the tools to make this next 
> tango the last tango.
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> Why is t’Rump so hated? The converse question might be asked about why is 
> Don-the-Con t’Rump the object of cultish worship? It is eerily similar to 
> the fawning over Mussolini and Hitler in the last century. Don-the-Con is 
> also the most intellectually banal president the country ever had. He is 
> also a moral reprobate. Jeremy Epstein, who t’Rump called “one hell of a 
> guy,” was a pimp to wealthy men. He provided wealthy client with women for 
> sex at a high price. Epstein and t’Rump had tape-a-thon [I meant 
> rape-a-thon] parties with women, and even girls 13 or 14 years of age. 
> T’Rump also displayed a shallow understanding or withering ignorance on 
> everything from science and medicine to economics and diplomacy. Remember 
> his idea of consuming or mainlining bleach to combat Covid? He also showed 
> little incentive or ability to learn anything.
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> While I am at it; I really wish this list, which is supposed to be about 
> science or physics, would not be rubbished up by Spudboy and Ben 
> “Medinuclear.” In particular Ben posts the same garbage over and over, 
> where I frankly do not give a damned about pagans vs non-pagans or 
> quasi-philoso-theology over Augustine. That stuff is such crap. Please, I 
> am sure there are plenty of other places for that nonsense.
> LC
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> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 5:08:31 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:
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>> [*Bruno Marchal*]
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>> I think Trump is a symptom, not a cause
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>> *[Philip Benjamin]*
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>> Symptom of what? What exactly are the reasons why he is so hated? 
>> Personal? Official? 
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>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On 
>> Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:47 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg
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>> On 25 Feb 2021, at 13:03, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Am Do, 25. Feb 2021, um 10:55, schrieb Bruno Marchal:
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>> On 24 Feb 2021, at 15:30, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> As an outside observer, I can't help but notice the following pattern in 
>> American politics: every presidential election is now seen as a 
>> civilization-threatening event, where each side believes that the other 
>> side is literally pure evil in its crystalized form, and that if they win, 
>> life as we know it will be over. We have now been through several 
>> iterations of this, and the reality is that nothing ever seems to happen, 
>> one way or the other.
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>> I think that before Trump, most Dems and Rep saw themselves as adversary, 
>> but not as enemy. Only with Trump, the adversary has become a scapegoat, an 
>> enemy, the responsible of all wrongs. Trump does not seem to be able to 
>> dialog, not even with its close accomplices. Trump is the worst enemy of … 
>> Trump. I think that his case is close to being pathological.
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>> I agree, but I think Trump is a symptom, not a cause.
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>> Certainly. But Trump is a sort of extreme symptom. Almost a caricature. 
>> But you are right, and this is exemplified by the fact that it keeps, 
>> apparently, his seduction power on the Republicans, even after those last 
>> month where he showed how much a bad looser he can be.
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>> There is also Boris Johnson, who is Britain's Trump, Bolsonaro, who is 
>> Brazil's Trump, etc.
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>> Maybe for Bolsonaro. But Boris Johnson is not comparable to Trump. I did 
>> fear that he could be like Trump, but he is not. Johnson is not an enemy of 
>> democracy. Trump is. That’s what I feel, or smell… I might be wrong, but 
>> Johnson has reassured me on that key point. 
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>> The other Trump in power are more like Kim Young Un, ABS (Saudi), 
>> Erdogan, and Putin...
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>> With the mainstream adoption of the Internet, in the early 2000s, 
>> political campaigns were reinvented (data-driven, highly targeted like 
>> advertisement). The early examples of this appear to be Tony Blair's second 
>> campaign in the UK and Obama's first in the US. Then it became the new 
>> norm, with increased sophistication. At the same time, journalism responded 
>> to the exestential threat created by the Internet by merging itself with 
>> the nascent ad-tech industry, pioneered by Google. In this new attention 
>> economy, the one who engages people's emotions the most wins. We are 
>> witnessing the race to the bottom that this creates, with widespread 
>> hysteria and irrationality from both sides of the political spectrum. I 
>> think that Trump and QAnon are products of this, and so is brexit on this 
>> side of the Atlantic.
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>> You are right. I would add the Russian propaganda. Since long I tend to 
>> think that the Brexit is almost a pure result of Russian propaganda, but I 
>> have not found the time to verify all the evidences, so I cannot swear on 
>> this. 
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>> Causation is a difficult subject. The systematic lies in the Oil industry 
>> and derivatives has put the bandits into power, but even this necessitates 
>> a millenium of training in believing in fairy tales. Maybe the cause is the 
>> poor level of education in math and logic. Postmodern relativism does not 
>> help, … Truth Research is not well-seen those days...
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