> On 1 Apr 2021, at 00:08, Philip Benjamin <[email protected]> wrote: > > [Bruno Marchal] > I think Trump is a symptom, not a cause > [Philip Benjamin] > Symptom of what? What exactly are the reasons why he is so hated? Personal? > Official?
It is not a question of hate. It is more fear in front of incompetence, and lies, and a behaviour which is hardly acceptable, even for a four years old. When he promised to show his taxes, I got the feeling he was a liar, as it is not the type of thing you promise, you just do it. Then Helsinki. Even if you hate the FBI and the CIA, you don’t publicly attacks your own camp virus an hostile country. Then you can read the Muller’s report. Obama would have done 1/100 of what Trump did, and he would have been impeached right away. Then some answer like this “I don’t know what is QAnon, but I heard they love me so they are right”, or about the proud boys “stand by, stand up …”. Trump is to be feared, and even more so when it seems a whole party is in deny of reality, and behaves like having some paranoïa. They have forget the difference between political opponent and enemy. Or just his “I love Kim-Young-Un”. That is quite enough to fear him, in the bones… The sad mystery is how could anyone vote for Trump (except by being criminal or in a rotten corporations, like NRA, of Big Pharma). The sad thing is that Trump has shown that even in America, the worst kind of cult of personality can arise. Trump is not the big danger, here. It is his enablers, like Lindsey Graham or Mitch McConnell, and many others that Trump encapsulated somehow. They do not hide their hate/fear of democracy. The voter suppression in may state illustrates this again, and is very dangerous for the future. Bruno > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Bruno Marchal > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg > > > On 25 Feb 2021, at 13:03, Telmo Menezes <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Am Do, 25. Feb 2021, um 10:55, schrieb Bruno Marchal: > > On 24 Feb 2021, at 15:30, Telmo Menezes <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > As an outside observer, I can't help but notice the following pattern in > American politics: every presidential election is now seen as a > civilization-threatening event, where each side believes that the other side > is literally pure evil in its crystalized form, and that if they win, life as > we know it will be over. We have now been through several iterations of this, > and the reality is that nothing ever seems to happen, one way or the other. > > I think that before Trump, most Dems and Rep saw themselves as adversary, but > not as enemy. Only with Trump, the adversary has become a scapegoat, an > enemy, the responsible of all wrongs. Trump does not seem to be able to > dialog, not even with its close accomplices. Trump is the worst enemy of … > Trump. I think that his case is close to being pathological. > > I agree, but I think Trump is a symptom, not a cause. > > Certainly. But Trump is a sort of extreme symptom. Almost a caricature. But > you are right, and this is exemplified by the fact that it keeps, apparently, > his seduction power on the Republicans, even after those last month where he > showed how much a bad looser he can be. > > > > > There is also Boris Johnson, who is Britain's Trump, Bolsonaro, who is > Brazil's Trump, etc. > > Maybe for Bolsonaro. But Boris Johnson is not comparable to Trump. I did fear > that he could be like Trump, but he is not. Johnson is not an enemy of > democracy. Trump is. That’s what I feel, or smell… I might be wrong, but > Johnson has reassured me on that key point. > The other Trump in power are more like Kim Young Un, ABS (Saudi), Erdogan, > and Putin... > > > > > > > With the mainstream adoption of the Internet, in the early 2000s, political > campaigns were reinvented (data-driven, highly targeted like advertisement). > The early examples of this appear to be Tony Blair's second campaign in the > UK and Obama's first in the US. Then it became the new norm, with increased > sophistication. At the same time, journalism responded to the exestential > threat created by the Internet by merging itself with the nascent ad-tech > industry, pioneered by Google. In this new attention economy, the one who > engages people's emotions the most wins. We are witnessing the race to the > bottom that this creates, with widespread hysteria and irrationality from > both sides of the political spectrum. I think that Trump and QAnon are > products of this, and so is brexit on this side of the Atlantic. > > > You are right. I would add the Russian propaganda. Since long I tend to think > that the Brexit is almost a pure result of Russian propaganda, but I have not > found the time to verify all the evidences, so I cannot swear on this. > > Causation is a difficult subject. The systematic lies in the Oil industry and > derivatives has put the bandits into power, but even this necessitates a > millenium of training in believing in fairy tales. Maybe the cause is the > poor level of education in math and logic. 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