On 2/25/2021 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Feb 2021, at 15:30, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]
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As an outside observer, I can't help but notice the following pattern
in American politics: every presidential election is now seen as a
civilization-threatening event, where each side believes that the
other side is literally pure evil in its crystalized form, and that
if they win, life as we know it will be over. We have now been
through several iterations of this, and the reality is that nothing
ever seems to happen, one way or the other.
I think that's hyperbole. No Democrat I know thought John McCain or
Mitt Romney was evil or their election would threaten the nation. Many
thought W. was muddled and let us be led into middle east wars by the
neo-conservatives like Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. But even then they
thought he was a nice guy.
I think that before Trump, most Dems and Rep saw themselves as
adversary, but not as enemy. Only with Trump, the adversary has become
a scapegoat, an enemy, the responsible of all wrongs. Trump does not
seem to be able to dialog, not even with its close accomplices. Trump
is the worst enemy of … Trump. I think that his case is close to being
pathological.
Remember Trump attacked all the leadership of the Republican party. He
used to register as a Democrat. He has no political ideology. He just
wants to be an autocrat who is loved and admired. He adopted populism,
nativism, and conspiracy theories because there was a sufficient number
of anti-government voters in the Republican who had been fed that line
for the last 40yrs.
Let me propose a (I know, perhaps crazy), alternative hypothesis:
Your limbic system has been hijacked for clicks. The presidency is
not as important as you think it is. Most people are mostly
incompetent. China is incompetent, Russia is incompetent, the CIA is
incompetent and so on and so forth. Very little of what they do
matter to you or me in any way, shape or form.
There is no class consciousness in the 21st century in the west.
There will be no revolt of the middle classes. Antifa is just a bunch
of college kids doing what college kids do. BLM protests created no
problems of any significance whatsoever. Statues don't matter, cancel
culture doesn't matter, the alt-right doesn't matter, none of it
matters. Most of the public personalities on both the right and the
left are entertainers making a living. Nothing of what they say matters.
?
If Trump would have said what he knew about covid-19 in February
2020), May people would still be alive.
If Trump would have won the second term election: I think that
democracy would not have survived, on the whole planet, and the whole
planet would be like … Texas today. I mean without water, ..
The stuff that matters is boring: laws, education, serious
journalism. If the legal system, or education, or newspapers give you
an emotional rush, you're probably getting counterfeit goods. Being
able to talk to each other without accusing the other side of being
nazis or harvesting babies for adrenochrome is what probably matters.
There is no conspiracy. There is just short-term greed, and new
technologies that create environments that we did not evolve for.
If short term greed is satisfy by honest means, there is no problem,
but when lies are made at the top, soon the belly, the health, and the
basic needs disappear, leading to suffering.
I detest Trump, but I detest him because he's a dumb and mean
narcissist who sets a horrible example. I don't like bullies, and I
hate it when they win. Otherwise, he didn't matter. He accomplished
nothing of any significance, good or bad.
I think he did one good thing, and a tun of very bad things, and his
endangering of democracy is not yet terminated. Thanks to him, there
are QAnon people in the government. That’s very bad.
He not only endangered democracy, he endangers the whole planet by
tearing down international agreements (TPP, Iran nuclear, Russian
missiles, Chinese trade, Paris accords,...).
The covid fuck-up probably had more to do with American culture and
overall circumstances than anything else. The lack of a real public
health system,
That’s because prohibition and free-market are inconsistent. Then, the
abandon of rigour in the fundamental human science makes people
accepting inconsistencies, which lead to human catastrophes. Even the
“electric crisis” in Texas comes from the worst political
isolationnisme possible, and a willingness to refuse a free-market for
electricity.
It came because they tried to make a free-market electric system. The
electricity producers had no incentive to provide reliability against
weather events happening ten or twenty years apart. To provide excess
capability and backups and weatherize would just raise cost and lose
customers to the competition. Customers were free to buy electricity on
a daily basis...which is why some of them now have $16,000 bills for
five days service.
the self-reliant mentality that has a great side and a horrible side,
the glorification of work at all costs, the social inequalities that
force a lot of people to work at all costs. All stuff that was
already there, and will keep being there. Every country in the world
thought they were very smart about covid until they weren't. If one
compares covid to the Spanish flu, it's unfolding in exactly the same
way. The curves look the same, it's uncanny.
Biden won't matter either, nor will Kamala.
When good willing people can do compromise, people have a bigger
chance to drink when thirsty or to eat when hungry. And kids have more
chance to get a solid education, and become less prone to lies. I fear
as much Sanders than Trump, and the task will not be easy for Biden
and Kamala, but I leave them a chance, and at least, they are of the
type of beings capable of conceding losing elections. Trump, it seems
to me, has clearly shows his envy to be a dictator, which it is the
first time in the US that this could have happened. Without the
honesty of the Republicans in Georgia, Trump might have become the
46th president, and I don’t even want to imagine the state of the US
after that.
Is there a lot of stuff that we should improve in the world? Oh yes!
But none of this has anything to do with that.
I think that the democracy is the base to make any long-term
improvement possible. Of course, it is a “living” thing, and so it can
get sick, and even die.
For me, democracy is a symptom of our Löbianity: the knowledge that we
don’t know the truth, nor can we know what is the best for us, and the
consequence: let us try and see if it works, and letting people judge
if it works, by oscillating between alternative solutions.
Paul Valery said that the human choice is between war and logic.
Democracy is the attempt to use logic, and argumentation around a
table, instead of bloody war on a battlefield, and I think it is a key
progress. It prevents dark lasting ideology of possible bully monarchs.
But argumentation that is not based on facts, that starts from
conspiracy theories, is likely to end in violence. There is a conundrum
in the U.S. The government is forbidden to restrict speech, especially
political speech. But this has been interpreted so as to allow the
purchase of public speech by corporations and wealthy individuals
(Rupert Murdoch, Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson,...) to drown out facts
and expertise.
Brent
Bruno
Telmo
Am Mi, 24. Feb 2021, um 04:14, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List:
Well look at it this way The billionaires the globalist all the same
funded and conspired with news media according to Time magazine a
couple of weeks ago to get their China money back which was the
essence of their opposition to the orange man. Going forward it's
going to be more interesting to see what happens with the US
domestic economy first, and then see if the so-called Democrats
decide to use political oppression on top of this. What I am
guessing is that if and when they do, and it is no certainty, we'll
see a rebellion in the USA, because not everybody in this continent
is so easily persuaded by whatever Obama and Kamala and of course
Joe have to say about things specifically don't lose sight of the
fact that it is there oligarchy that is running things now and not
the US middle class and I think things will break along class lines
if it when things go bad especially economically. Peace out!
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On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 Bruno Marchal
<[email protected]
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On 21 Jan 2021, at 01:34, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Bruno, I completely agree and will be delighted to be proven wrong,
as thus, the new people (basically Obama's people) have a turn
again at bat (US baseball reference). QANON, I ignored because they
produced nothing useful, Basically, a disinformation campaign, and
many of these in the past seemingly, were not all by the Soviets,
the Chinese Communist Party, but were spun up by US advertising
agencies. All in the name of psychological warfare.
I don’t think we can compare the lying propaganda (of the USSR for
exemple) with the advertising in the US. Even the lies on drugs
could be criticised, and the truth be known, like with the book of
Jack Herer. He has not been sent in jail, nor his family get under
threats. Threats in politics in something new in America, and seems
to come up through Trump and those who enabled him. That is very
grave, but, thank God, the US is still a democracy. But the
Republican Party is very sick, that is what we can say.
Here is my questions for the departed Orange President? Where is
your evidence of massive, successful, voter fraud?
Since you had mentioned back in 2016 when you ran against Hillary,
I ran for nobody. After one week of Trump’s campaign I predicted
(wrongly) that he would not get more than one vote. I am vey naïve,
but once he promised he would show his taxes, I knew he was a crook.
I am a republican, just horrified by Donald Trump and most of his
acolytes. For me you can put Trump at the extreme left. You need
this to lick Putin and Kim-Young-Un feet...
and quoted a study that indicated illegals in the US voting, you
must have expected vote fraud, so why not take the steps to ensure
that it would be difficult to conduct mass fraud??
The election in the US are very well organised. To have mass fraud
is basically impossible. You would need thousands of democrats
becoming (fake) member of the Republican Party. At this hours, we
would have many whistleblowers using some doubt, at the least. But
none of this occur, and no people witnessing frauds have maintained
their claim under oath. I think, with Crebs, that: those were the
most secure election ever made on the planet.
Now, the facts that republicans continue to fear Trump worry me.
They will lose the election and the honour, and that’s the best case
scenario for the US.
Bruno
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From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
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Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2021 10:41 am
Subject: Re: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg
On 17 Jan 2021, at 08:22, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Universities are the autocratic kings of censorship and repression.
Some universities are like that, with some degree. When I was
young, there were some excellent course in philosophy alongside
with course which were pure and simple propaganda.
Then even the math departement was politicised, after may 1968. You
needed to be communist to be well seen by the geometers, to be
socialist to be well seen by Algebraists, and to be capitalist to
be analyst (calculus). Well, not as clearcut at this, but that was
in the air, and some student got bad note for not applauding some
local ideology, which was outrageous,
Some have fight on this and win, others have fight and got many
problems. It all depends on the character of many individuals, but
of course, the pré-eminance of the human general law “the boss is
right” does not help.
At least, in a working democracy, we can change the boss from time
to time. That is a real progress, and perhaps the only one since
Plato, in the human science.
It is no mistake that the most tyrannical of presidents Wilson and
Obama arrived from the realm of professorship. I would add FDR and
his internment camps, but he did free more peeps, than he
imprisoned to say the least, so good on him.
So what to do? My part is easy! Wait for errors on the side of the
ruling class, that affects the middle class, and when enough
uncorrected problems pile up, people, naturally will react.
Repression from social media and the banks will be one thing that
initiates a back-reaction (right outta optical physics).
If the Dems do well with economic recovery, then it will be sunny
skies for them. Once Kamala gets in gear, we will see what her
leadership takes us?
Let us give them a chance. We will see.
Bruno
On Saturday, January 16, 2021 Philip Benjamin
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
[John K Clark]
“No universities are doing any censoring either and for exactly
the same reason, although I do think threatening to expel students
for what they say is a very unproductive thing to do”
[Philip Benjamin]
There are hundreds if not thousands of instances to the
contrary. Some are listed below. That is why I call these
Universities WAMP—Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism).
1. https://www.thefire.org/10-worst-colleges-for-free-speech-2020/
<https://www.thefire.org/10-worst-colleges-for-free-speech-2020/>
2.https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/07/24/scientist-alleges-csun-fired-him-for-discovery-of-soft-tissue-on-dinosaur-fossil/
<https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/07/24/scientist-alleges-csun-fired-him-for-discovery-of-soft-tissue-on-dinosaur-fossil/> LOS
ANGELES (CBSLA.com <http://cbsla.com/>) — Attorneys for a
California State University, Northridge scientist who was
terminated from his job after discovering soft tissue on a
triceratops fossil have filed a lawsuit against the university.
3.https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us/19kentucky.html
<https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us/19kentucky.html>
Astronomer Sues the University of Kentucky, Claiming His Faith
Cost Him a Job
4.https://www.christianpost.com/news/professor-fired-after-speech-opposing-puberty-blocking-drugs-sues-university.html
<https://www.christianpost.com/news/professor-fired-after-speech-opposing-puberty-blocking-drugs-sues-university.html>
A Psychiatry Professor fired after speech opposing
puberty-blocking drugs sues university
5.https://mynewsla.com/crime/2021/01/11/chapman-professor-who-supports-trump-resists-calls-for-ouster/
<https://mynewsla.com/crime/2021/01/11/chapman-professor-who-supports-trump-resists-calls-for-ouster/>
A Chapman University law professor who has come under fire for
his election fraud claims and participation in a rally led by
President Donald Trump just before the insurrection at the Capitol
fought back Monday against critics who are calling for his ouster
from the university
6.http://www.theevolutioncrisis.org.uk/testimony5.php
<http://www.theevolutioncrisis.org.uk/testimony5.php>
7.https://www.amazon.com/Expelled-Intelligence-Allowed-Ben-Stein/dp/B001BYLFFS
<https://www.amazon.com/Expelled-Intelligence-Allowed-Ben-Stein/dp/B001BYLFFS>
Big science has expelled smart new ideas from the classroom
... What they forgot is that every generation has its Rebel! That
rebel, Ben Stein (Ferris Bueller’s Day Off) travels the world on
his quest, and learns an awe-inspiring truth … that educators and
scientists are being ridiculed, denied tenure and even fired – for
the crime of merely believing that there might be evidence of
design in nature, and that perhaps life is not just the result of
accidental, random chance. To which Ben Says: Enough! And then
gets busy. NOBODY messes with Ben.
Philip Benjamin
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<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 6:12 AM
To:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Cc:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:00 PM spudboy100 via Everything List
<[email protected]
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> For me, all I need to see is which companies are doing the
censoring?
To censor someone you need the power to imprison or kill them if
they say something you don't like, so no company is doing any
censoring, some of them may want to but none of them are able to
because only governments have enough power to do that. I'm not
saying companies don't have any power at all because they do, and
sometimes they use the power they do have unwisely, and that's a
problem, but the solution is not to give even more power to the
government because it already has quite enough power thank you. So
what is the solution? I don't know, there may not be one, there
is not always a solution to every problem and that's why we live
in an imperfect world and probably always will, but we should try
to make the imperfections as small as possible. And if history has
taught us anything it's that giving even more power to the
government, which is already the most powerful institution in our
society, will not make the world perfect.
> Which universities are censoring for the "safety of the students"
No universities are doing any censoring either and for exactly the
same reason, although I do think threatening to expel students for
what they say is a very unproductive thing to do. And I think the
idea that university students are such delicate snowflakes that
they need protection from harsh language or exposure to views
different from their own is ridiculous; they're not gonna be in
college for their entire life and sooner or later they're going to
have to toughen up if they want to live in the real world. So
that's a problem, but the world is full of problems and some of
them we just have to live with. I know one thing for sure: a
government edict banning such a practice would cause more problems
than it solved.
> We had 7 months of sporadic riots and the liberals (which I
sometimes side with) and now they freak out when conservatives
targets the capital.
If you are not freaked out by a murderous mob of Stormtrumper
zombies staging a coup d'état by attacking the Capital Building
which contained the Vice President and every single member of the
House and Senate in an attempt to overturn the Constitution of the
USA and a free election to keep their "Dear Leader" in power
indefinitely then there is something very seriously wrong with you!
John K Clark.
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