On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 3:27 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>Consistency is not the same as identity. If what you and I mean by the >> words "red" and "green" were inverted then both of us would still say >> tomatoes are red and leaves are green, but those things would not look >> subjectively >> the same to us. > > > * > How do you know that? * > I don't know that you and I have opposite conceptions of red and green, and the reason I don't know is because language would be consistent with them me aning the same thing and for their meeting to have been inverted. John K Clark > If you can't know they're the same, you can't know whether they are > different either. > > Notice that I referred to "reports". You're worrying whether the qualia > are the same...contrary to your own avowal that there's no there there. > > Brent > > > John K Clark > > > >> >> On 4/28/2021 9:06 AM, John Clark wrote: >> >> *> If we can explain why, for example, you see stars if you bash the back >>> of your head,* >>> >> >> It might be able to explain why I say "I see green stars" but that's not >> what you're interested in, you want to know why I subjectively experience >> the green qualia and if it's the same as your green qualia, but no theory >> can even prove to you that I see any qualia at all. >> >> >> No, but one can discover whether your reports of green qualia correspond >> to something consistent in our shared world, as opposed say to your reports >> of little green men when drunk. That's why we have a word for qualia which >> is different from Illusion. >> >> Brent >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/6de72d8c-4326-c86e-d69d-206edec25c98%40verizon.net >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/6de72d8c-4326-c86e-d69d-206edec25c98%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1wtDbm2b_7ddN4CD4AL3%2BthLNFOximoZqGZ7BTw6d0QA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1wtDbm2b_7ddN4CD4AL3%2BthLNFOximoZqGZ7BTw6d0QA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/136a386e-09e9-4f05-f11a-ab444bcc51b0%40verizon.net > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/136a386e-09e9-4f05-f11a-ab444bcc51b0%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv25YC_NJKjUfh4gqvbo2VYbnduuymRT-goxUpnNSTJ4Gw%40mail.gmail.com.
