Well, I haven't had the time to really pursue this odd question, does the universe learn? I am kind of charmed by it, and sort of hope that it is true. For the scientists involved it answers a cosmological question, and that's all to human benefit. If this function is true, and there is a possibility to test it somehow, then this is science, not religion or religious psychology. If it is true, it is no more humans in search of an authority figure, then it is to state leptons are lighter in mass than leptons. If one finds that this is a feature of the cosmos, and one finds it disagreeable, then so be it. As of now it's simply a hypothesis. By the way, religion and ideology are the same things.
-----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> To: Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2021 11:28 am Subject: Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns (not released on April 1st) I would much prefer to live with questions that have not been answered than to live with answers that cannot be questioned. Spudboy and the medinuclear guy Ben would have things so that truth comes from authority. This is the psychology of religion. This is a paradox of sorts, for it God has truth because he conforms to it, this means he is not totally free and all powerful. If God defined or created truth then truth is not something valid in of itself. Religion sets up the psychology that truth does emerge from authority and power, and we should not be surprised to see that so many religious people favor authoritarian personalities in power. LC On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 6:21:54 AM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 6:50 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: > Religion acted as a psychological survival kit, As in human sacrifice and war? Romans tortured Christians because they wouldn't worship their Gods, and when Christians gained power Christians tortured non-Christians because they wouldn't worship their God. In England Catholics tortured Protestants, and when Protestants took power protestants tortured Catholics. And most wars have a strong religious component, even World War 2; the leader of Germany hated the Jews and used that hatred as a political weapon to gain power, but without religion there wouldn't even be classes of people called "Jews" and "non-Jews" to hate and opppress because there would just be "people". As for the 911 attacks, well, I won't point out the obvious. The following sewage is a quotation from a speech Adolf Hitler gave on April 12 1922: "Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. [...] My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." >From evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins's book The God Delusion: “Rivers of medieval ink, not to mention blood, have been squandered over the 'mystery' of the Trinity, and in suppressing deviations such as the Arian heresy. Arius of Alexandria, in the fourth century AD, denied that Jesus was consubstantial (i.e. of the same substance or essence) with God. What on earth could that possibly mean, you are probably asking? Substance? What 'substance'? What exactly do you mean by 'essence'? 'Very little' seems the only reasonable reply. Yet the controversy split Christendom down the middle for a century, and the Emperor Constantine ordered that all copies of Arius's book should be burned. Splitting Christendom by splitting hairs - such has ever been the way of theology.” > and it often still does for many. Not such a comfort for you or I, but > that's what makes soccer games. “Returning to humanity’s need for comfort, it is, of course, real, but isn’t there something childish in the belief that the universe owes us comfort, as of right?” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion > the majority of scientists hate this because it gets in their way. They hate it because religion has always gotten in the way of finding the truth, and it always will. Some people prefer to live in ignorance and that's OK by me, that's their decision, I only get angry when they try to make me live there too. > They like atheism, they like when you are dead you are dead, Well this atheist certainly doesn't like it that when you're dead you're dead, but this atheist dislikes self delusion even more. John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis zmv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c78d7b22-65ee-4a61-8115-9b3d319d29adn%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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