*The Torah & The Quran * فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُمُ الْحَقُّ مِنْ عِندِنَا قَالُوا لَوْلَا أُوتِيَ مِثْلَ مَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَىٰ أَوَلَمْ يَكْفُرُوا بِمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَىٰ مِن قَبْلُ قَالُوا سِحْرَانِ تَظَاهَرَا وَقَالُوا إِنَّا بِكُلٍّ كَافِرُونَ
*قُلْ فَأْتُوا بِكِتَابٍ مِّنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ هُوَ أَهْدَىٰ مِنْهُمَا أَتَّبِعْهُ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ* But when The Truth drew near them from Us they said: Why was he not given the like of what was given to Moses? They are ones who are ungrateful for what was given to Moses before. They said: Two kinds of sorcery, each helped one against the other. And they said: Truly, we disbelieve in all of it. *Say: Then, bring a Book from God that is better guided than these two that I follow it, if you had been ones who are sincere.* [Al-Quran 28:48 <https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/28/48/>-49 <https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/28/49/>, Translation: Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar] God, The Most Merciful, has created this world to give us an opportunity to learn, believe and do right! Its moving towards it climax, generating all the evidence for and against each person, individually, and as a collective. God alone knows how much time is left. The ancient ruins all bear evidence that they were also given time, technology and power, and yet they chose to ignore the guidance and the warnings. Among the most recent were the ancient Egyptians <https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/no-ilah-but-allah.html>, and thereafter, the Bani Israel and their masjid in Jerusalem <https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-destruction-of-masjid-of-solomon.html> was destroyed twice. There is great purpose in all that God does. He did not create this world without purpose, nor are we here without purpose. To inherit the precious gardens of eternity, we have to become sincere in our worship of God, The True King, as law-abiding people, willingly following, and humbly willing to implement His Laws in His Land whenever He grants us the kingdom to rule over. God alone knows how much time is left for each one of us, and for the world stage. The signs are beginning to manifest <https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-disappearing-stars.html>. We still can choose to focus on studying, learning, and reforming ourselves. All the evidence is there for those who believe; as for those who do not believe, we can only pray that God chooses to guide them. The Quran is very clear that God does not guide the defiantly disobedient people. He invites us to meet the requirements of the gardens of eternity, but in no way does He compel us to choose against our will. May God show us Mercy, accept us in His gardens, and save us from the penalty of hell-fire. On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:14 AM spudboy100 via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > Well, I haven't had the time to really pursue this odd question, does the > universe learn? I am kind of charmed by it, and sort of hope that it is > true. For the scientists involved it answers a cosmological question, and > that's all to human benefit. If this function is true, and there is a > possibility to test it somehow, then this is science, not religion or > religious psychology. If it is true, it is no more humans in search of an > authority figure, then it is to state leptons are lighter in mass than > leptons. If one finds that this is a feature of the cosmos, and one finds > it disagreeable, then so be it. As of now it's simply a hypothesis. By the > way, religion and ideology are the same things. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> > To: Everything List <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2021 11:28 am > Subject: Re: Was, Re: The theology of number, (Now) The Universe Learns > (not released on April 1st) > > I would much prefer to live with questions that have not been answered > than to live with answers that cannot be questioned. > > Spudboy and the medinuclear guy Ben would have things so that truth comes > from authority. This is the psychology of religion. This is a paradox of > sorts, for it God has truth because he conforms to it, this means he is not > totally free and all powerful. If God defined or created truth then truth > is not something valid in of itself. Religion sets up the psychology that > truth does emerge from authority and power, and we should not be surprised > to see that so many religious people favor authoritarian personalities in > power. > > LC > > On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 6:21:54 AM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 6:50 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > * > Religion acted as a psychological survival kit,* > > > As in human sacrifice and war? Romans tortured Christians because they > wouldn't worship their Gods, and when Christians gained power Christians > tortured non-Christians because they wouldn't worship their God. In England > Catholics tortured Protestants, and when Protestants took power protestants > tortured Catholics. And most wars have a strong religious component, even > World War 2; the leader of Germany hated the Jews and used that hatred as a > political weapon to gain power, but without religion there wouldn't even be > classes of people called "Jews" and "non-Jews" to hate and opppress > because there would just be "people". As for the 911 attacks, well, I won't > point out the obvious. > > > *The following sewage is a quotation from a speech Adolf Hitler gave on > April 12 1922:* > *"Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the > Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for > the work of the Lord. [...] My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord > and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, > surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and > summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not > as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a > man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in > His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of > vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the > Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I > recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this > that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty > to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for > truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that > we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a > Christian I have also a duty to my own people."* > > From evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins's book The God Delusion > <https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3044365>: > > *“Rivers of medieval ink, not to mention blood, have been squandered over > the 'mystery' of the Trinity, and in suppressing deviations such as the > Arian heresy. Arius of Alexandria, in the fourth century AD, denied that > Jesus was consubstantial (i.e. of the same substance or essence) with God. > What on earth could that possibly mean, you are probably asking? Substance? > What 'substance'? What exactly do you mean by 'essence'? 'Very little' > seems the only reasonable reply. Yet the controversy split Christendom down > the middle for a century, and the Emperor Constantine ordered that all > copies of Arius's book should be burned. Splitting Christendom by splitting > hairs - such has ever been the way of theology.”* > > * > and it often still does for many. Not such a comfort for you or I, but > that's what makes soccer games.* > > > *“Returning to humanity’s need for comfort, it is, of course, real, but > isn’t there something childish in the belief that the universe owes us > comfort, as of right?”* > ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion > <https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3044365> > > *> the majority of scientists hate this because it gets in their way.* > > They hate it because religion has always gotten in the way of finding the > truth, and it always will. Some people prefer to live in ignorance and > that's OK by me, that's their decision, I only get angry when they try to > make me live there too. > > *> They like atheism, they like when you are dead you are dead, * > > > Well this atheist certainly doesn't like it that when you're dead you're > dead, but this atheist dislikes self delusion even more. > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> > zmv > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c78d7b22-65ee-4a61-8115-9b3d319d29adn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c78d7b22-65ee-4a61-8115-9b3d319d29adn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1025834087.413117.1623809647280%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1025834087.413117.1623809647280%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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