> On 5 Jul 2021, at 21:01, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 7/5/2021 7:41 AM, John Clark wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 9:44 AM Tomas Pales <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> "Brain" is a noun, "consciousness" is not, that's why you can't measure >> consciousness by the pound or by the cubic inch. >> >> > In English language it is used as a noun. Check out a dictionary: >> >> consciousness noun <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/noun> >> I know, that's what my fourth grade teacher told me too, but I long-ago >> realized that neither she nor the lexicographers who wrote that big thick >> book are the fonts of all wisdom. >> >> Intelligence is what a brain does not what a brain is, and because >> >> Darwinian Evolution is almost certainly correct, consciousness must be an >> >> inevitable byproduct of intelligence, therefore "consciousness" is not a >> >> noun, it's a word that describes what a noun (in this case the brain) >> >> does, in other words consciousness is an adjective. >> >> > You mean a verb then, no? >> >> I think adjective fits the bill a little better, I think Tomas Pales is the >> way atoms behave when they are arranged in a Tomaspalesian way. >> >> > consciousness is a spatiotemporal object. >> >> I disagree, I think asking where my consciousness is located would be like >> asking where the number 11 or the color yellow or "fast" is located. If my >> brain is in Paris and I'm looking at a TV football game from Detroit and I'm >> listening to a friend in Australia on my telephone and I'm thinking about >> The Great Wall of China would it make sense to say my consciousness is >> really located inside a box made of bone mounted on my shoulders when I have >> no conscious experience of being in a bone box on my shoulders? I don't >> think so. > Yet a sharp blow to that bone box would eliminate your conscious experience > at least temporarily. > Only from the point of view of some conscious subject. From the point of view of the person associated to the brain in the box, that does not make sense, as it is associated to infinitely many truing universal relation.
The body is only a map on infinitely many histories. That can be proved both with QM-without-collapse, or in any non trivial combinatory algebra (like a model of arithmetic). > So there's something there that is essential to your consciousness. > What is “essential” are the infinitely many computations. Since the 1930s we know that all computations are realised in any model (in the logician sense) of arithmetic, or of combinatory logic (Kxy = x, Sxyz = xz(yz)). I know that this contradict 1492 years of materialist brainwashing, but “appearance of matter” are explained in arithmetic, and get contradictory when associated or singularised through any supplementary axioms, even the induction axioms used to define what an observer can be. You assume some ontological commitment inconsistent with Mechanism here. Bruno > Brent > >> >> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >> >> vxq0 >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1QfN_EVXVRWNGB4yx4-_SbP-S-HebZO-%3D%2BT3Wjw9uFvQ%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1QfN_EVXVRWNGB4yx4-_SbP-S-HebZO-%3D%2BT3Wjw9uFvQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/6e3e859b-2944-84c9-7f96-fb2d27a6b0e8%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/6e3e859b-2944-84c9-7f96-fb2d27a6b0e8%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/F67056B1-FA63-47E2-B9F5-EC511806068D%40ulb.ac.be.
