I am a utilitarian, remember? I just with whatever we can achieve as fast as we 
can. Crony capitalism is a bad feature I claim, and for you as a Libertarian, 
that somehow it all washes out logically in the end seems to be a triumph of 
hope over experience. Just as Japan did 30 years ago with their Zaibatsu, 
nobody in China is doing the Free Trade 2-step, nor, do I think we in the 
States are anymore. The fiddle with their currencies and unlike we in the 
states, the CP is real ok if their middle class gets burned by CP actions  both 
literally and figuratively. The Han, which are the majority of Chinese have a 
saying, a tradition, Mai Banfa. These people are used to being kicked in the 
teeth, the peasants, the middle class. 
https://chinese.yabla.com/chinese-english-pinyin-dictionary.php?define=mei+ban+fa

The CP industrial spy us (what industries the boards of directors of your 
Wokies have not moved to Guangshu
The CP permits and encourages breaking copyrights.The Boards of directors of 
your team gladly hand over schematics in exchange for China trade. When you do 
slave labor as with the CP/PLA does with the Uighers, I call this as a 
Competitive 
Advantage.https://www.axios.com/xinjiang-forced-labor-uyghurs-a3b58b6e-c98f-4ce4-ae52-7b4a37fa61f5.html

I say what happens when your or my allegations do not prove true in the sloppy, 
dirty, real world? What if we fail in our claims? Do we keep on doing the same 
thing, or do we make adjustments? This is why I am strongly prejudiced against 
politics, save as a means of collecting wealth and throwing it on specific 
technological goals. Climate change? Switch to carbon-free or carbon capture 
fast. Then once we have it in place, switch off the dirty and switch on the 
clean. Like with a newly installed network system, we run things concurrently, 
just to ensure continuity. This is where your DNC/Green schmucks fail 
miserably. "Shut things down now! Save the world!" 
I will stick with pragmatism and hope the numbers in our efforts capture the 
phenomena accurately. 









-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, Sep 4, 2021 6:53 am
Subject: Re: The American Taliban

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 8:18 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why are you as a libertarian so-called siding with crony capitalist?
I would maintain that if a libertarian is not a capitalist then he is NOT a 
libertarian.  And "crony" means friend, and it's true, I generally have a 
friendly feeling towards capitalists because I am one myself.
> The middle class has paid and paid and paid for the tariffs that Trump 
> induced, in the loss of US jobs, given over to the Chinese Communist,
The middle class paid Trump's tariff every single time he bought something. And 
there are only two ways free trade with China could be detrimental to the 
American way of life: 

1) Communism is inherently a more efficient way to organize a society than 
capitalism. 2) The Chinese, because of biology, are smarter than Americans. 
I see no evidence either of those things are true. 
> in order to maximize profit.
Maximizing profits is a good thing! And so is making money off of a tragedy, 
it's nice that at least a little good comes out of something very bad  
 > I never expected to accomplish much of anything

You never directly answered my question. Did you think Trump was telling the 
truth when he said over and over and over again "I will build a wall and make 
Mexico pay for it" ?  If you did then you're an even worse judge of character 
than I am, and if you didn't then I don't understand why somebody telling you a 
bold faced lie didn't make you angry.  


> Hillary? Hillary would have done what Joe is doing right now except 4 years 
> ago 

Yep, and if Hillary had won 4 years ago several hundred thousand Americans who 
are now dead would still be alive. And 4 years ago the American people DID want 
Hillary to be president, but unfortunately due to our screwy constitution 
328,000,000 Americans don't get to vote for the president, only the elite 538 
who are in the Electoral College do, and those 538 people made the single worst 
decision in the history of the republic.
However I will give you one thing, because of Trump's bungling  664,935  
Americans may have died of  COVID-19 but at least they didn't have to face the 
horrors of Hillary Clinton's email server!

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis77s
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