'They' was the Politiburo. They wanted to get the Muslim world on their side, and Breshnev had successfully got the Muslims (Arabs) into 2 wars favoring the Muslims by underwriting their weapons supplies in 1967 & 1973. Oil cutoff and Jihad attacks were suggested and managed by the KGB/GRU The idea seems to have been to shake things up for the US and get us pinned down in the Middle East on Israel's side, choking off oil to Europe not under USSR control. Think Vietnam but closer to our jugular, so to speak. They also supplied and trained the Red Brigades, as well as some neonazi (Marcus Wolf the East!) bombers in West Germany & Italy, the IRA, anything to do the undermine process. So being dragged into a war in Afghanistan was not their goal of supporting the Jihad against The West. This is where the US ended up doing back in the 80's. We armed and trained the Taliban using US supplied Stinger AA missiles against their jets and helicopters remember. A case of a technology that made all the difference. Now its 2021, mercy, how times change.
-----Original Message----- From: John Clark <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Sep 4, 2021 6:00 am Subject: Re: The American Taliban On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 8:15 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > For sure John they did somewhat but they still wanted to keep the world's > Muslims in their camp or attract more if they could. They figured or had > seated Saudi to the Americans but wanted to expand their influence under the > days of the Soviet Union. They were inhibited by their own foreign policy > desires. Huh? Who is "they"? John K Clark On Friday, September 3, 2021 John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 2:45 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > To control a land you must put boots on the ground, but this would need > constant bombing, say of their mountain caves. Yeah yeah bomb mountain caves, I've heard it all before. Mr. Armchair General, do you really think the Soviets and the Americans never thought of that? > We could win, or we could do empire crap, That's another question I have, how do you know when you've won the war in Afghanistan? When you've taken the city of Kabul? The Americans did that just a few weeks after they invaded the country, but it didn't help, 20 years later they still lost the war in Afghanistan. I have no doubt the USA could easily retake Kabul, but then what? Oh yeah I forgot, bomb mountain caves for another 20 years. > keep the jihadists at bay, but this means constant pressure, constant 'disrupting the ant hill. How long is "constant", how long must this constant pressure be applied, another 20 years? I'd give Biden an A on his decision to pull out of a war that was obviously lost, but I'd give him a D on the implementation of that plan; the last days of a losing war are always going to be ugly but I don't think they needed to be quite that ugly. I'd only give Trump a B on his decision to pull out of a war that was obviously lost because he waited till year 4 of his administration to make that decision, Biden did it on year one of his. Like Biden I'd also give Trump a D for the implementation of his plan because he negotiated it with the Taliban without conferring with our Afghanistan allies and agreed to the immediate release of 5000 dangerous Taliban prisoners who on being released immediately went back to fighting. > What ended the Mongol Empire? The answer is The Little Ice Age. The Little Ice Age lasted from the 14th century to the middle of the 19th, plenty of war and conquest and religious lunacy occurred during that time that had nothing to do with the Mongol Empire. The Little Ice Age certainly didn't make the human race less violent or crazy. >Thus, AGW might break the Jihad? Maybe, or maybe continental drift will break the Jihad, but American soldiers dying in Afghanistan will not make the continents move faster or the world get hotter. By the way, you've forgotten IHA.John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2015908401.2163038.1630779713979%40mail.yahoo.com.
