You are likely correct in my characterization of the vaccine-afraid. But even when politics or science is written of here, Stathis, itis over ruled by ideology. If it turns out next year in the news that there is a mortality rate associated with the major vaccines, who gets to avoid responsibility? Big Pharma? Their paid politicians, news propagandists who discarded medical reports that John doesn't want to hear about because it offends his sensibilities? For me, I am grateful for the results from the vaccines, but if you want the earth's population inoculated, which has been stated before, then developing better vaccines, treatments, and testing for adverse reactions needs to be in the cards. False positives or no. We can push for no testing for this, which is how things are at the minute, or work on something reliable.
You are being extremely generous to the vaccine averse if you think 99% of them are rational. Also, a screening test for a one in a million condition would likely have a false positive and false negative rate far in excess of one in a million, making it useless. -----Original Message----- From: Stathis Papaioannou <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Oct 5, 2021 9:56 pm Subject: Re: Unbounded stupidity On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 at 12:37, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: I encourage getting the vaccine and yet I do wonder if some people are vulnerable to its use? This is from today and it is not the Moderna or the Pfizer vaccine. https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Washington-woman-dies-from-rare-J-J-vaccine-16511225.php If there was some test that could quickly identify those at risk from a vaccination, it would help to round up 99% of the vaccine averse. Baring such a development, people don't trust the government, as it is now constituted, and I don't simply mean Joe + Kamala. You are being extremely generous to the vaccine averse if you think 99% of them are rational. Also, a screening test for a one in a million condition would likely have a false positive and false negative rate far in excess of one in a million, making it useless. -----Original Message----- From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Oct 5, 2021 8:50 pm Subject: Re: Unbounded stupidity No. We eliminated smallpox without vaccinating everyone on Earth. Unfortunately we can't do that with covid because it exists in some animals (as does ebola). But that's still a stupid argument against someone getting the vaccine. It's like saying that even with seatbelts people will get killed in car accidents, therefore it's reasonable to refuse to wear seatbelts, because...Freedumb! Brent On 10/5/2021 1:40 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Brent, kindly remember from an epidemiological basis, to rid ourselves finally from Covid and all its strains we are going to have to vaccinate everyone on earth. This from a vax standpoint comes from not the public health experts, but also from my brother in law, a Biden voter, who informed me of this and I corroborated online, and agree with. Lets not argue the point in this thread, but we now have open borders, which is a political and ideological contention. It is also, a rapid means also of infection. If you wish to spend US tax payer dollars on such a global approach, I will will say yes, yes yes! I am just opposed to using this plague in a dictatorial manner, and am suspicious, and paranoid that it is being used as an excuse for dictatorial goals. Call it my bad. A related feature of this, whoever you voted for or against, keep your eye on the economy. -----Original Message----- From: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Oct 4, 2021 9:05 pm Subject: Re: Unbounded stupidity On 10/4/2021 4:51 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Funny, I read Taleb's book as well. Small world. I mean 't in the previous post that when those terrible nazi Trump voters refuse the shots, according to Team Dem, they will perish from this earth. Thus, if its what you are good with, and it is, then it will assure your claim and hold on power, Mr. Dem. How is this a loss for you? It's been explained to you at least three times: (1) We have family and friends that can't take the vaccine (too young, immune system problems...) and so need to rely on herd immunity. (2) All you unvaccinated yahoos are just a big incubator for more variants of covid, one of which may prove resistant to the vaccine. (3) The unvaccinated Trumpists are taking up hospital beds, staff, and ICU's which leaves other people unable to get emergency and elective care. Why don't you try printing this out and keeping it in your wallet so when you're temped to repeat your BS for a fourth time you can take it out and read it and you'll know how it's a loss for the smarter part of humanity. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/46e22809-2fbb-62bc-0e32-bcda30245dcd%40verizon.net . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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