You must be true to yourself, and if you are bored shitless, with such speculation of application of the physics we know, so be it! The Hugh Everett thing is so fascinating in itself, that it basically, if there ever a scintilla of evidence, this would itself change civilization and religion (and that's no lie!). I am not sure how such a global culture would change but change it would. Thanks for the physics insight, much appreciated, LC. For me interestingly enough, physicist and scifi writer Greg Benford wrote the novel REWRITE, based on Everett's many worlds and the protagonist is a man who keeps getting 're-born' on his 16rh birthday, every time he dies. To not spoil the plot, because he always dies as a middle aged man, he is able to ultimately change history. He is not alone in his journey. Much Thanks!
-----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> To: Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2022 8:11 am Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? I do not waste my neural energy on these idle speculations. I do not engage in silly ideas of Kardashev civilization types, Dyson spheres, Tipler-like cosmo-eschatology and so forth. I suppose those who have reached some celebrity status can afford to do this, but in the end it is all stuff we might talk about over scotch and cigars. The only possibility I see is that within the Everettian Many Worlds Interpretation all systems are quantum superposed amplitudes, and as such have multiple drafts in decoherent sets. So we may have an infinite or near infinite number of lives. Quantum interpretations impose ancillary physical axioms or postulates that are not provable or demonstrable within quantum physics. So I do not particularly make much of any argument along these lines. LC On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 5:50:36 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: I would opt for the concept of an afterlife being plausible via physics, but it sure ain't around to soothe us today! The Religions, as I term it, seek "the keys to the kingdom," as a means to hold over and control the poor peasant. It works on rich peasants too, I will add. You may agree with Gloria Steinem, but honestly, she was not, nor is not, such a brain, especially for knowledge of the sciences. Meaning yeah, she expresses your view, aptly, or why quote her? But for things cosmological, she was never that interested. Never that informed. Let me offer this up for you to utterly reject because you feel it to be utterly rejectable, contemptable, a fraud, a lie, etc, This is from physicist Guilio Prisco from 3 years ago. Background. He was a computer guy at CERN and later did the same for the ESA. His peeps in Italy were communists so he wasn't raised in The Church. https://turingchurch.net/the-infrared-memory-of-the-universe-hints-at-future-akashic-physics-3f9a072f0ca6 The dude is sharp enough to screen physics papers for items he finds of interest, that I would blindly, ignore. This assembly of essays about the Lectures on the Study of Infrared Structure and Gauge Theory (put together by A. Strominger at Harvard), was also Hawking's last paper. NYT' science writer Dennis Overbye had commented: "“Cleansed of its abstract mathematics, the paper is an ode to memory, loss and the oldest of human yearnings, the desire for transcendence… Few of us, including Dr. Hawking, ever harbored the hope that solving the information paradox would bring back our parents…” George Musser had also commented on the publication and ramification. I will concede that the Harvard guy has zero interest in all this, and having said that, I said, we follow the physics, anyway. Similar explanations have come from Tipler (proven wrong in 1999 Standard Model), and Hans Moravec, (Mind Children & Robot) still standing, that such is not impossible, but that as of today? Forget about it! So, thus, the proclamation that "It's on your permanent record!" from teachers of the past, was no idle threat. Here at least, in principle is where the information of the universe goes, including us, for storage. The Database, Supreme. So, where's payoff, you would be correct to ask? A Russian futurist philosopher has come up with this. A purpose for the Dyson sphere. I would conclude that this project will require a large budget and is quite long term. https://bigthink.com/hard-science/dyson-spheres/ I mean, if this holds together, it may be one of the goals of every intelligent species and providing living space for both the biological and simulated people from the past. I wonder if this could explain The Fermi Paradox? Being all settled at home, chatting away in Virch? Where might we look for such a real estate venture? I suggest based on their longevity, that red dwarf stars will be a tasty target because though meager in power compared to the sun, these suckers last 2-10 trillion years, if the astronomers are correct? Well, there's a Go for you. It's basically not a What Would Jesus Do, but instead a How would Jesus do it?? For me, you'd need not to be "Saved", but rather you are being saved, as in RAID 5,000,000. -----Original Message----- From: Brent Meeker <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2022 4:33 pm Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What? "It's an incredible con job when you think of it, to believe something now in exchange for life after death. Even corporations with all their reward systems don't try to make it posthumous." ---- Gloria Steinem On 7/3/2022 5:42 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: There was no Adam. The story of Adam and Eve etc. is pure myth. It is all a big pigeon drop scam. The pigeon drop scam is where somebody convinces another there is a grand some of money to be had if the person just renders 1/10 that amount. Of course, if the dupe pays his money nothing is exchanged. In the case of monotheism, the pigeon drop is about agreeing to certain terms claimed to be laid down by some infinite invisible being beyond the universe who says to agree means great eternal rewards. There is of course the negative part that to not agree brings eternal agony. This is a "mind forged manacle," to use Willian Blake's poetic line, that has enslaved humanity for centuries. We need to break free of these preposterous things and start living in more realistic and functional ways. LC On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 8:43:15 PM UTC-5 Samiya wrote: I think a more immediate and useful question is: What is the purpose of humans (Adam and his progeny)? > On 03-Jul-2022, at 5:55 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > In the end one can ask, "What is the purpose of God (Allah or Ha Shem etc)?" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7341aa10-3d23-4597-873c-f88123ece117n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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