[Philip Benjamin]
Science is about observation, experimentation, rational analysis and logical 
conclusion. The universe as is, is all that can be observed. Scientists have to 
accept with humility the limitations of finite minds to understand and explore 
the invisible and ponder over what is not subject to sense perceptions. Let the 
philosophers do that.
   Theology, unlike pagan religions of the world, is about the REVELATIONS from 
the Theos. The Scriptures of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles make 
unique claim that they are direct REVELATIONS from Adonai (plural) YHWH 
(singular) Elohim (uni-plural). [Abraham was a PAGAN worshipping his own family 
deities.  Only one man/woman in only one nation in one region of the world can 
be chosen to bring forth the ONE final REVELATION. Here the claim of the 
Scriptures of the Prophets & Apostles is that the Almighty is mighty enough to 
be a human zygote planted in a womb (virgin to be clear on the identity) to 
bring forth  the divine in human form (at a particular place Bethlehem as 
promised aforetime), for the precise purpose of cancelling the universal Death 
Sentence (entropy) necessarily imposed on the universe by the vicarious death 
of the Sentencer followed by Resurrection.  Now that is the crux of Mosaic 
sacrifices (types) and Messianic crucifixion (anti-type). That is the crux of 
revelatory Theology also. That does not belong to science, but it belongs to 
scientists also in the same way as it is to ALL-men and women alike. . If it is 
untrue, it does not matter. If it is true, nothing else should matter. 1 + 1 = 
2 is the only truth, but 1 + 1 = 2.0000000....to the nth decimal place is only 
one of infinite lies possible.
    Leave that alone. Science has enough and more to meddle with the observable 
universe. It cannot even define what a phone is!! It can only experiment with 
it or on it. Incorrigible pride thy name is human heart!
Philip Benjamin

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On 
Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 9:20 AM
To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <[email protected]>
Cc: Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What?

On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:43 PM Samiya Illias 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

> I think a more immediate and useful question is: What is the purpose of 
> humans (Adam and his progeny)?

According to the religious, the purpose of humanity is to praise God because 
there is nothing God loves more than an endless 24/7 stream of uninterrupted 
flattery. To my mind that makes God seem like a small minded little twit, I'd 
expect something a bit less mundane from an omniscient omnipotent being who 
created the universe, however even if it's true it leaves open one question, 
does God ever ask Himself what His purpose is?
  John K Clark
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