On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 6:05 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On 8/12/2022 2:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 5:25 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On 8/12/2022 12:56 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 3:29 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 8/12/2022 12:13 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 2:18 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/12/2022 10:56 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>> >>>> Below is what I wrote: >>>> >>>> The way I like to think about it is this: If one is willing to believe >>>> that truth values for mathematical relations like “2 + 2 = 4” can exist and >>>> be true independently of the universe or someone writing it down, or a >>>> mathematician thinking about it, that is all you need. >>>> >>>> >>>> But it's truth value does depend on someone assigning the value "t" to >>>> some axioms and all mathematical truth values are nothing but "t" >>>> arbitrarily assigned to some axioms plus some rules of inference that >>>> preserve "t". "t" has little to do with what it true in the world. >>>> >>> >>> The physical world chugs along with anyone having to assign to assign >>> values, or apply rules of inference. >>> >>> Why can't the same be true for other platonic objects? >>> >>> >>> Because "Platonic" means "exists only in imagination". >>> >> >> Perhaps conventionally. >> >> But perhaps physical existence is platonic existence (i.e. all >> self-consistent structures exist, all rule based formal systems, etc.). >> >> >> Given a sufficiently broad definition of "exists". Just like 2+2=5 for >> sufficiently large values of 2. >> >> >> This would account for fine-tuning, and plausibly yield an answer to "why >> quantum mechanics?" >> >> >> One can "account" for anything in words. >> > > Not exactly. The existence of a plentitude implies observers should find > themselves entwines with an environment having many-histories. > > > You don't know that the environment has more than one history. > > > If there was no QM, that would rule out the existence of a plentitude. > > > You think God couldn't have created other Newtonian worlds? > If there is an infinite plenitude of individually distinct Newtonian worlds, observers within that reality will experience indeterminnace in their observations due to the fact that each observer's mind has an infinity of incarnations across different Newtonian universes in the plentitude. Even God could perhaps not eliminate that indeterminnace as experienced by most observers in such a reality. The feat might be like making a square circle. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUj6FAkAW2cZGEUwTheqDHSvdBTvytbBh8mOgSWW7xHzWA%40mail.gmail.com.