On 8/12/2022 3:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 6:05 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:



    On 8/12/2022 2:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


    On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 5:25 PM Brent Meeker
    <[email protected]> wrote:



        On 8/12/2022 12:56 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


        On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 3:29 PM Brent Meeker
        <[email protected]> wrote:



            On 8/12/2022 12:13 PM, Jason Resch wrote:


            On Fri, Aug 12, 2022, 2:18 PM Brent Meeker
            <[email protected]> wrote:



                On 8/12/2022 10:56 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
                Below is what I wrote:

                    The way I like to think about it is this: If
                    one is willing to believe that truth values
                    for mathematical relations like “2 + 2 = 4”
                    can exist and be true independently of the
                    universe or someone writing it down, or a
                    mathematician thinking about it, that is all
                    you need.


                But it's truth value does depend on someone
                assigning the value "t" to some axioms and all
                mathematical truth values are nothing but "t"
                arbitrarily assigned to some axioms plus some rules
                of inference that preserve "t". "t" has little to
                do with what it true in the world.


            The physical world chugs along with anyone having to
            assign to assign values, or apply rules of inference.

            Why can't the same be true for other platonic objects?

            Because "Platonic" means "exists only in imagination".


        Perhaps conventionally.

        But perhaps physical existence is platonic existence (i.e.
        all self-consistent structures exist, all rule based formal
        systems, etc.).

        Given a sufficiently broad definition of "exists".   Just
        like 2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2.


        This would account for fine-tuning, and plausibly yield an
        answer to "why quantum mechanics?"

        One can "account" for anything in words.


    Not exactly. The existence of a plentitude implies observers
    should find themselves entwines with an environment having
    many-histories.

    You don't know that the environment has more than one history.


    If there was no QM, that would rule out the existence of a
    plentitude.

    You think God couldn't have created other Newtonian worlds?


If there is an infinite plenitude of individually distinct Newtonian worlds, observers within that reality will experience indeterminnace in their observations due to the fact that each observer's mind has an infinity of incarnations across different Newtonian universes in the plentitude.

In a Newtonian multitude even observer would be distinct and would have only one instance.  There would be no indeterminance.

Brent

Even God could perhaps not eliminate that indeterminnace as experienced by most observers in such a reality. The feat might be like making a square circle.

Jason
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