Am Do, 18. Aug 2022, um 13:38, schrieb John Clark:
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 6:46 AM Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> *> Of course they could have evolved some more sophisticated strategies, *
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> Yes but the other agents could've evolved more sophisticated strategies too, 
> and the behavior of the other agents must be considered because they are a 
> very important part of the environment, if not the most important part.

I completely agree, and to be clear the simulation that I created at that time 
was precisely aimed at exploring what you described. I was attempting to 
simulate speciation, and the agents could indeed develop diverse and 
independent strategies.

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>> *> but since the vision range was a genetic parameter, it was simply easier 
>> for evolution to provide global coordination by limiting the vision range, 
>> and then it got stuck at this local optimum. *
> 
> Your agents could've gotten stuck in an ESS, a Evolutionarily Stable 
> Strategy. Once the majority of a population are using a ESS a mutant who 
> follows a different strategy will soon die out even though if everybody 
> followed that strategy everybody would be better off. It is one of the many 
> flaws in Darwinian Evolution and why it took over 3 billion years for it to 
> invent brains. Just a century ago humans had no idea how to make a brain but 
> today we're very close.

Agreed.

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>> *> I still think about this to this day, and wonder if such a phenomenon has 
>> biological plausibility.*
> 
> It certainly does!  Richard Dawkins talks about this extensively in his 
> wonderful books "The Selfish Gene" and "The Extended Phenotype", two of the 
> best books I've ever read and I read a lot. 

I have read "The Selfish Gene" a long time ago and it was also quite 
influential for me. I will take a look at "The Extended Phenotype".

Speaking of biology books, this one is not about evolutionary theory but it is 
one of the most beautiful scientific books that I own, and in case you don't 
know about it, I suspect you might like it:

"The Machinery of Life" by David S. Goodsell

Telmo

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