Am Do, 20. Okt 2022, um 20:45, schrieb Brent Meeker:
> 
> 
> On 10/20/2022 9:29 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>> 
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>> Am Do, 20. Okt 2022, um 17:56, schrieb John Clark:
>>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 11:03 AM Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> *> I mean... I don't know what to tell you. You really think that the most 
>>>> likely explanation for her hiring someone to install an email server in 
>>>> her bathroom instead of using existing government infrastructure is her 
>>>> "being sloppy"?*
>>> 
>>> Yes.
>>>  
>>>> *> Really?*
>>> 
>>> Yes really.  
>>> 
>>>> > *Then why would she bother doing this?*
>>> 
>>> Because official government email servers are notoriously slow, cumbersome 
>>> to set up , run on ancient hardware and software intend to Crash often, and 
>>> are unintuitive to use. It's bizarre, I'm talking about Trump's high 
>>> treason and you're talking about Hillary's email server that didn't conform 
>>> to regulations.
>> 
>> Well the emails that did not conform to regulations contained some details 
>> from the BBC article that you neglected to address. I will leave a few here.
>> 
>> "According to the latest leaked emails, Mrs Clinton told a Goldman Sachs 
>> conference she would like to intervene secretly in Syria.
>> 
>> She made the remark in answer to a question from Lloyd Blankfein, the bank's 
>> chief executive, in 2013 months after she left office as secretary of state.
>> 
>> "My view was you intervene as covertly as is possible for Americans to 
>> intervene," she told employees of the bank in South Carolina, which had paid 
>> her about $225,000 to give a speech."
>> 
>> "In a 12-page memo 
>> <http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-048f-da25-a55e-efaf30b60000> written 
>> by Doug Band, a longtime aide to Bill Clinton, he describes using his 
>> consulting firm to raise money for the Clinton Global Initiative as well as 
>> direct personal income for the former president.
>> Mr Band rallied clients of his firm, Teneo, to contribute directly to Mr 
>> Clinton for "in-kind services for the President and his family - for 
>> personal travel, hospitality, vacation and the like" referring to that fund 
>> as "Bill Clinton Inc".
>> 
>> Several companies directly paid the former president for his speeches or 
>> advice, as well as making contributions to the Clinton Global Initiative. 
>> Republicans have criticised this, saying it allowed corporations to pay for 
>> access to the former president.
>> 
>> One client, Coca Cola, received a face-to-face meeting with the former 
>> president at his home in 2009, after contributing millions to the non-profit 
>> foundation."
>> 
>> "The Clinton campaign tried to reschedule the Illinois presidential primary 
>> to a month later, so as to make it less likely that a moderate Republican 
>> would get a boost following the Super Tuesday primaries.
>> "The Clintons won't forget what their friends have done for them," future 
>> Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook wrote in the November 2014 email to Mr 
>> Podesta."
>> 
> 
> I don't see anything illegal or even clearly unethical in that list.  It 
> looks like innuendo from Fox News.

It's the BBC... The British news organization with the Churchillian gravitas 
that you guys admire so much.

So let me get this straight: Hillary Clinton was privately briefing Goldman 
Sachs on an event that she was payed 225K to attend on how she was planning a 
war in secret that was unpopular with the public.

Now that I put it this way, this must be the most American thing that I read in 
weeks. Maybe you guys are right, I guess I'm too European for this (although we 
are the ones dealing with the humanitarian crisis that arise from your 
"escapades" in the Middle East).

Nevermind.

Telmo

>   Have the Clinton's siphoned off money from their non-profit foundation for 
> personal use?  That would not be terribly surprising, but nothing says they 
> did.  Getting people and corporations to contribute to a foundation is 
> commonplace and in principle benign.
> 
> Brent
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> *> Sure, Trump is much worse than Clinton.*
>>>  
>>> Then what the hell are we arguing about?
>>>  
>> 
>> We are arguing about the fact that if you insist of giving people a choice 
>> between a turd sandwich and an even bigger turd sandwich that the 
>> establishment also does not like, you shouldn't be terribly surprised if 
>> they pick the latter just to spite you.
>> 
>> Telmo
>> 
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>>> r4c
>>> 
>>>> 
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