On 10/20/2022 1:19 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Am Do, 20. Okt 2022, um 20:45, schrieb Brent Meeker:
On 10/20/2022 9:29 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Am Do, 20. Okt 2022, um 17:56, schrieb John Clark:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 11:03 AM Telmo Menezes
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
/> I mean... I don't know what to tell you. You really think
that the most likely explanation for her hiring someone to
install an email server in her bathroom instead of using
existing government infrastructure is her "being sloppy"?/
Yes.
/> Really?/
Yes really.
> /Then why would she bother doing this?/
Because officialgovernment email servers are notoriously slow,
cumbersometo set up , run on ancient hardware and software intend
to Crash often, and are unintuitive to use. It's bizarre, I'm
talking about Trump's high treason and you're talking about
Hillary'semail serverthat didn't conform to regulations.
Well the emails that did not conform to regulations contained some
details from the BBC article that you neglected to address. I will
leave a few here.
"According to the latest leaked emails, Mrs Clinton told a Goldman
Sachs conference she would like to intervene secretly in Syria.
She made the remark in answer to a question from Lloyd Blankfein,
the bank's chief executive, in 2013 months after she left office as
secretary of state.
"My view was you intervene as covertly as is possible for Americans
to intervene," she told employees of the bank in South Carolina,
which had paid her about $225,000 to give a speech."
"In a 12-page memo
<http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-048f-da25-a55e-efaf30b60000>
written by Doug Band, a longtime aide to Bill Clinton, he describes
using his consulting firm to raise money for the Clinton Global
Initiative as well as direct personal income for the former president.
Mr Band rallied clients of his firm, Teneo, to contribute directly
to Mr Clinton for "in-kind services for the President and his family
- for personal travel, hospitality, vacation and the like" referring
to that fund as "Bill Clinton Inc".
Several companies directly paid the former president for his
speeches or advice, as well as making contributions to the Clinton
Global Initiative. Republicans have criticised this, saying it
allowed corporations to pay for access to the former president.
One client, Coca Cola, received a face-to-face meeting with the
former president at his home in 2009, after contributing millions to
the non-profit foundation."
"The Clinton campaign tried to reschedule the Illinois presidential
primary to a month later, so as to make it less likely that a
moderate Republican would get a boost following the Super Tuesday
primaries.
"The Clintons won't forget what their friends have done for them,"
future Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook wrote in the November
2014 email to Mr Podesta."
I don't see anything illegal or even clearly unethical in that list.
It looks like innuendo from Fox News.
It's the BBC... The British news organization with the Churchillian
gravitas that you guys admire so much.
So let me get this straight: Hillary Clinton was privately briefing
Goldman Sachs on an event that she was payed 225K to attend on how she
was planning a war in secret that was unpopular with the public.
It doesn't say she was briefing Goldman Sachs on an event. She's
explaining that she would like to intervene and that U.S. intervention
would be very covert. It's not even clear that the intervention she
wanted ever happened. She says the same thing to "employees of a bank
in S. Carolina". Do you expect that nations do everything transparently
and in front of TV cameras. How could anyone conduct diplomacy that way?
Now that I put it this way, this must be the most American thing that
I read in weeks. Maybe you guys are right, I guess I'm too European
for this (although we are the ones dealing with the humanitarian
crisis that arise from your "escapades" in the Middle East).
From your creation of "nations" in the middle east that were just lines
drawn around tribes.
Brent
Nevermind.
Telmo
Have the Clinton's siphoned off money from their non-profit
foundation for personal use? That would not be terribly surprising,
but nothing says they did. Getting people and corporations to
contribute to a foundation is commonplace and in principle benign.
Brent
/> Sure, Trump is much worse than Clinton./
Then what the hell are we arguing about?
We are arguing about the fact that if you insist of giving people a
choice between a turd sandwich and an even bigger turd sandwich that
the establishment also does not like, you shouldn't be terribly
surprised if they pick the latter just to spite you.
Telmo
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
r4c
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