On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 4:52 PM <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:

> A well-covered essay you have there, Jason.
>
>
Thank you!


> This almost goes to the essays by a few physicists which asks, "Are there
> any laws?"
> I would say yes, or perhaps evolving laws in an evolving cosmos? But I am
> not the astronomer or physicist.
>
>
> https://bgr.com/science/the-laws-of-physics-dont-actually-exist-according-to-this-physicist/
>
>
>
I am quite partial to some of the ideas that the laws, as we see them, have
much to do with the kind of observers we happen to be. I have collected
numerous quotes from physicists who have thought along these lines here:

https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Why_Laws
and here:
https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Observation_as_Fundamental

Here are a couple examples:

"The top down approach we have described leads to a profoundly different
view of cosmology, and the relation between cause and effect. Top down
cosmology is a framework in which one essentially traces the histories
backwards, from a spacelike surface at the present time. The no boundary
histories of the universe thus depend on what is being observed, contrary
to the usual idea that the universe has a unique, observer independent
history. In some sense no boundary initial conditions represent a sum over
all possible initial states."

-- Stephen Hawking <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking> and Thomas
Hertog <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hertog> in “*Populating the
landscape: A top-down approach
<https://journals.aps.org/prd/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevD.73.123527>*” (2006)


"It is an attempt to explain the Goldilocks factor by appealing to cosmic
self-consistency: the bio-friendly universe explains life even as life
explains the bio-friendly universe. […] Cosmic bio-friendliness is
therefore the result of a sort of quantum post-selection effect extended to
the very laws of physics themselves."

-- Paul Davies <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Davies> in “*The
flexi-laws of physics
<https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19426101-300-the-flexi-laws-of-physics/>*”
(2007)


Jason

On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 4:52 PM <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:

> A well-covered essay you have there, Jason.
>
> This almost goes to the essays by a few physicists which asks, "Are there
> any laws?"
> I would say yes, or perhaps evolving laws in an evolving cosmos? But I am
> not the astronomer or physicist.
>
>
> https://bgr.com/science/the-laws-of-physics-dont-actually-exist-according-to-this-physicist/
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
> To: Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2022 5:59 am
> Subject: Re: Physics? Ok Astronomers view 2 distant Water Worlds so
> following the physics I ask..
>
> There's an interesting relationship between the strength of the
> electrostatic repulsion between two protons, and the gravitational
> attraction of protons. It works out such that it takes ~10^54 protons
> gathered together in one place before the gravitational attraction can
> overwhelm the electrostatic repulsion. In other words, stars as as big and
> long-lived as they are because gravity is so weak.
>
> See:
>
> https://alwaysasking.com/is-the-universe-fine-tuned/#Gravity_and_the_Lives_and_Deaths_of_Stars
> For the calculation and references.
>
> Jason
>
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 1:52 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> https://scitechdaily.com/nasa-discovers-pair-of-super-earths-with-1000-mile-deep-oceans/
>
>
> Would the mass of 1000 miles (1333 kilometers) with the mass of liquid
> water induce nuclear fusion at the bottom of those oceans??
>
> Water, mass, gravity, crushing force? Like perhaps not deuterium or
> deuterium-tritium fusion, but proton-proton fusion??
>
> Would a space probe doing an orbit on such deep ocean view white plasma
> glowing upwards? Would the damn things look more like just another gas
> giant? Nothing spectacular, nothing remarkable? Would closeness to its
> primary (star) have any influence?
>
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