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Subject: RE: Physics? Ok Astronomers view 2 distant Water Worlds so following
the physics I ask..
[Philip Benjamin]
No laws no physics. No laws, no chemistry, no biology, no logic, no
scince, no business, no government, no language-no nothing!! Yes, even nothing
has laws!!! Matter and energy are all governed by laws. Laws of physics and
chemistry govern the properties of matter. If Dark-Matter is real, then it also
MUST be governed by LAWS-immutable LAWS. Laws cannot precede analytical
intelligence. Intelligence is an integral part of Personhood. Only a Person can
be a Lawgiver. An amorphous glob of SOMETHING is not Personhood. This is also
the issue of aseity. What is more rational-dead matter giving
(trans-speciating) LIFE, or is it ETERNAL LIFE producing dead matter and life
forms? WAMP-the-Ingrate and other Marxist pagans are groping in incognito
territory, of outer darkness!!
Philip Benjamin
Non-Conformist
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Subject: Re: Physics? Ok Astronomers view 2 distant Water Worlds so following
the physics I ask..
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 4:52 PM <spudboy...@aol.com<mailto:spudboy...@aol.com>>
wrote:
A well-covered essay you have there, Jason.
Thank you!
This almost goes to the essays by a few physicists which asks, "Are there any
laws?"
I would say yes, or perhaps evolving laws in an evolving cosmos? But I am not
the astronomer or physicist.
https://bgr.com/science/the-laws-of-physics-dont-actually-exist-according-to-this-physicist/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbgr.com%2Fscience%2Fthe-laws-of-physics-dont-actually-exist-according-to-this-physicist%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cee9307afe7fc44de879c08dae894085f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638078019750913187%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=hZGbDTchFqtnH5CZ%2Bzq5ebieBwU9ILMCZ9VYYLfL%2BB8%3D&reserved=0>
I am quite partial to some of the ideas that the laws, as we see them, have
much to do with the kind of observers we happen to be. I have collected
numerous quotes from physicists who have thought along these lines here:
https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Why_Laws<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Falwaysasking.com%2Fwhy-does-anything-exist%2F%23Why_Laws&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cee9307afe7fc44de879c08dae894085f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638078019750913187%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5cQlryQAbcNoIvi5%2FfpK7JVvZHX2uL3Vi9CSwuBFRoE%3D&reserved=0>
and here:
https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Observation_as_Fundamental<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Falwaysasking.com%2Fwhy-does-anything-exist%2F%23Observation_as_Fundamental&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cee9307afe7fc44de879c08dae894085f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638078019750913187%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dVvKnnnJSBJxtNP6o7OXfEw98d4RYlVnSNJbY1NPR9Q%3D&reserved=0>
Here are a couple examples:
"The top down approach we have described leads to a profoundly different view
of cosmology, and the relation between cause and effect. Top down cosmology is
a framework in which one essentially traces the histories backwards, from a
spacelike surface at the present time. The no boundary histories of the
universe thus depend on what is being observed, contrary to the usual idea that
the universe has a unique, observer independent history. In some sense no
boundary initial conditions represent a sum over all possible initial states."
-- Stephen
Hawking<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FStephen_Hawking&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cee9307afe7fc44de879c08dae894085f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638078019750913187%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XQwJK%2B0MlObcr3oE%2Bj0z7KMpq8O9sFN%2Bpk65Y8q9w2o%3D&reserved=0>
and Thomas
Hertog<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThomas_Hertog&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cee9307afe7fc44de879c08dae894085f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638078019750913187%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4hfmBjlFHtLughtGr6pArgmMOrZzp0wAIHbW3WPOCv8%3D&reserved=0>
in "Populating the landscape: A top-down
approach<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjournals.aps.org%2Fprd%2Fpdf%2F10.1103%2FPhysRevD.73.123527&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cee9307afe7fc44de879c08dae894085f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638078019750913187%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=farDYRoKU1E3En2L1tjdxVpr6TpPdhH0wR4m36v0cUY%3D&reserved=0>"
(2006)
"It is an attempt to explain the Goldilocks factor by appealing to cosmic
self-consistency: the bio-friendly universe explains life even as life explains
the bio-friendly universe. [...] Cosmic bio-friendliness is therefore the
result of a sort of quantum post-selection effect extended to the very laws of
physics themselves."
-- Paul
Davies<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPaul_Davies&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cee9307afe7fc44de879c08dae894085f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638078019750913187%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Xo4uoPsFN9bQ2Tb9ZCLNJyX%2FvC8f4zWeinSl%2FBpB4s4%3D&reserved=0>
in "The flexi-laws of
physics<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newscientist.com%2Farticle%2Fmg19426101-300-the-flexi-laws-of-physics%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cee9307afe7fc44de879c08dae894085f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638078019750913187%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cPghDjrY8hgBOLh2QOvNpCdYuSNFuf2AUU3i3Aa7XQk%3D&reserved=0>"
(2007)
Jason
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