Master Resch, you could told us ahead of time that you were a Pantheist!!! Having said that, it's ok, my favorite philosopher also is. John Leslie, author and inventor of Hostage Chess. John A. Leslie - Wikipedia I loved his stuff and have no issue with pantheism and minds. Also, I blindly go for afterlife theories whoever has a brain and peddles these unto me. Could be Kurzweil, Tipler, Prisco, Moravec, Tipler, Tim Anderson @ Georgia Tech, you name em! Yes your ideas as well. I simply advise people to come up with something scientific concerning, consciousness, as need more intellectual substance. It's a cautionary not and this is not the hill I choose to die upon. Just wanting to know how a human eqivalent happened, sans, carbon + water :-)
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Resch <[email protected]> To: Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Mar 15, 2023 8:46 am Subject: Re: ChatGPT's rebuttal to Chomsky On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 8:45 AM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 7:59 AM <[email protected]> wrote: I am a not a neurobiologist, old son. I could try to see if there are any papers out on grey goo becoming self-aware and self-reflecting? My Definition! Anything with a "self" is conscious.Anything with "awareness" is conscious. Therefore your definition of "self awareness", by restricting consciousness to things that are only aware of oneself but not other things in the environment, you may only be capturing some, but not all classes of consciousness entities. Likewise by defining consciousness as "self reflection", you may overly restrict consciousness only to those selves which happen to reflect upon that self, and perhaps wrongly deny consciousness to selves who do not self reflect. It is possible that reflection (at least reflection on some level) is necessary to consciousness. But I have not seen a strong argument for it yet. I do think the capacities for self-awareness and self-reflection exist in humans, but do we do it all the time? Are we self reflecting and self aware of ourself in every moment of our consciousness? What about raw sensory experiences when we live in the moment, such as when catching a wave or riding a rollercoaster? Are fruit flies self-reflecting and self-aware? Are they consciousness of the presence of a banana on the counter? These questions keep me up at night. If you have a paper on how consciousness arises from intel, Nvida, and AMD chips please supply the link. It's chips and salsa to me. I think focusing on hardware is a red herring. Consciousness is a high level phenomenon and I believe it exists in high level abstractions of information processing and computation. Seeking the magic of consciousness in the neurochemicals or silicon chips is in my view, as misguided as seeking to find it in the quarks and electrons. If you claim something just spoke from a D-Wave superchilled box and it asked how you were doing, I'd consider that a true possibility. Photonics? Ok lets roll with it. Trace the physical causes behind someone uttering the words "I am conscious" back through the signals in the nerves of their vocal cords into the deepest recesses of their brain. There you will find consciousness as the processes that stand behind the person thinking and reasoning and concluding, and then deciding to utter the words "I am conscious". I think you can do the same for any silicon or quantum computer, in principle. Consciousness, presumably, is what causes us to talk about consciousness. It's therefore something that exists in the causal chain of physics, and something amenable to investigation. Jason -----Original Message----- From: John Clark <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2023 2:08 pm Subject: Re: ChatGPT's rebuttal to Chomsky On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 12:55 AM spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: > I still need to know how it became conscious when just using chips and data I'll tell you just as soon as you tell me how 3 pounds of gray goo inside of a vat made of bone that is sitting on your shoulders manages to be conscious. John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis vmb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv04H7Ry%3DctkkhfRUj_w5gid5u6txq-XYfsmbG8DkUXJ2Q%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUgOh3J%2BWkRowuy3BTR48_C9RGVrhxLsVtg-k7UxzKsXnQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/567882334.346556.1678907844987%40mail.yahoo.com.
