On Thursday, October 10, 2024 at 6:44:04 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
*In the August 7, 2024 issue of the journal Physical Review Letters is the strongest evidence ever reported that Einstein's dream of a quantum theory that is deterministic, realistic and local is dead; at least one of those three things must be false.* *I will be studying your long post with the view of determining if you really proved what you claim above. I am presently skeptical since I have a naive view that all three can be simultaneously true. CMIIAW, but a deterministic interpretation of a probability theory must mean that the wf collapse can be modeled dynamically, and this is what Objective Collapse theories are attempting to construct. In my view, this would be an extension of Copenhagen, not its capitulation. AG* * They use something called "Hardy's Violation" that is a slight variation of Bell's Inequality that is a little easier for experimenters to use. * *By the way, when they say "local realism" is violated they are assuming a deterministic universe, that's why Objective Collapse Theories are still in the running for the title of the correct fundamental description of nature, they are not deterministic. Many Worlds is also still in the running because it is not realistic, and Pilot Wave Theory it's still in the running because it is not local. As for Copenhagen, it's basically "shut up and calculate" so it can't win or lose because it's not playing the game. Einstein is the only clear loser in all this. * *Loophole-free test of local realism via Hardy’s violation <https://arxiv.org/pdf/2401.03505v1>* John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> edd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/42bd819b-0405-4211-8a2d-5f5bf4901cc2n%40googlegroups.com.
