On Saturday, November 23, 2024 at 9:04:19 PM UTC-7 Bruce Kellett wrote:
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 2:25 PM smitra <[email protected]> wrote: On 22-11-2024 09:30, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 7:05 PM smitra <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 22-11-2024 06:40, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >>> That's what is ruled out by violation of Bell's inequality. >> >> Bells' theorem doesn't apply to QM, > > I think it is about time that you read Bell's papers. His theorem is > not about hidden variable theories, or non-local theories. He assumes, > for the purposes of argument, a local theory. He assumes a deterministic local hidden variable theory. Which theory is that, then? > He then derives a series > of inequalities that such a local theory must satisfy. Experimentally, > these inequalities are violated. Inspection of standard QM gives > results that agree with experiment, but these results also require > non-locality. No, non-locality is not required. > The conclusion drawn from these experiments is that > quantum mechanics, itself, is non-local. No, that's not the conclusion. If QM were intrinsically local, then you would be able to give this local account of the correlations. You are manifestly unable to do this. *What exactly do you mean by "local account of the correlations"? Would you* *agree that the fact the wf extends infinitely in all directions and changes in* *time infinitely in all directions sufficiently establishes that QM is non-local? AG * If there were any truth in what you are saying, then you wouldn't have Sidney Coleman saying things like this: https://youtu.be/EtyNMlXN-sw?t=2023 And Prof. Marletto wouldn't have put point nr. 2 on her slide: https://youtu.be/DT61eSiOs50?t=299 I think it is better to rely on the mathematics rather than on so-called authorities. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/aa99cc61-bd90-43a2-ae51-1923b776fee5n%40googlegroups.com.
