On 24-11-2024 05:04, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 2:25 PM smitra <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22-11-2024 09:30, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 7:05 PM smitra <[email protected]> wrote:
On 22-11-2024 06:40, Brent Meeker wrote:
That's what is ruled out by violation of Bell's inequality.
Bells' theorem doesn't apply to QM,
I think it is about time that you read Bell's papers. His theorem
is
not about hidden variable theories, or non-local theories. He
assumes,
for the purposes of argument, a local theory.
He assumes a deterministic local hidden variable theory.
Which theory is that, then?
He assumes local hidden variables which specify what the outcome of any
particular measurement will be.
He then derives a series
of inequalities that such a local theory must satisfy.
Experimentally,
these inequalities are violated. Inspection of standard QM gives
results that agree with experiment, but these results also require
non-locality.
No, non-locality is not required.
The conclusion drawn from these experiments is that
quantum mechanics, itself, is non-local.
No, that's not the conclusion.
If QM were intrinsically local, then you would be able to give this
local account of the correlations.
You are manifestly unable to do this.
It's obvious from the time evolution specified by the local Hamiltonian.
If there were any truth in what you are
saying, then you wouldn't have Sidney Coleman saying things like
this:
https://youtu.be/EtyNMlXN-sw?t=2023
And Prof. Marletto wouldn't have put point nr. 2 on her slide:
https://youtu.be/DT61eSiOs50?t=299
I think it is better to rely on the mathematics rather than on
so-called authorities.
Invoking authorities to get a simple fact about Bell's inequalities
cleared up, i.e. that it does not imply that QM is non-local, is quite
appropriate. You made the extraordinary claim that Bell proved that QM
is non-local, which is plain nonsense. If it were true, then you
wouldn't have professors with deep knowledge of QM claiming that QM is
local.
Saibal
Bruce
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