On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 1:39:54 PM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote:
Le dim. 15 déc. 2024, 21:24, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit : On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 1:15:44 PM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le dim. 15 déc. 2024, 21:09, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit : On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 12:54:08 PM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le dim. 15 déc. 2024, 20:45, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit : On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 11:24:36 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le dim. 15 déc. 2024, 18:48, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit : On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 6:45:57 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le dim. 15 déc. 2024, 14:31, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit : On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 6:20:47 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 5:41:54 AM UTC-7 John Clark wrote: On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 11:01 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: * > What bothers me is the disagreement between frames about fitness or not, and why the alleged lack of simultaneity resolves the apparent contradiction. AG * *In this thought experiment I think even you would agree that no matter how fast or slow the car is going there will always be times when the front of the car is in the garage, and times when the back of the car is in the garage; so the question of the day is " Is there any frame of reference in which those two events occur SIMULTANEOUSLY?" Einstein's answer is "yes", provided the car is moving fast enough. And as proof that Einstein's answer was correct, in this thought experiment, above a certain speed, there is NO frame of reference in which there is a car shaped hole in the back door of the garage. * *John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* No. Above a certain speed, since the car is length contracted from the pov of the garage frame, the car will fit in the garage, and waiting some time, then being in a different reference frame, it could hit the back door. AG But the real question is this; if from the pov of the car frame, there is a v such that the car never fits in the garage for this v and greater, why is it claimed that lack of simultaneity between frames solves the problem, since we're only considering simultaneity in garage frame where the car fits? AG eua It's crazy you're still on this... wtf is your definition of fits in which doesn't involve simultaneously having rear and front of the car in the garage? Quentin I never denied that "fitting" requires simultaneity. Then wtf are you trolling about ? *Earlier you asked if I agreed that fitting requires simultaneity, and I affirmed that. My problem all along, which apparently went over your head, is how the two frames can give diametrically opposite results. All you were capable of doing was to repeat some slogan without offering any genuine explanation. * Bullshit, everyone here explained it was about ordering of events, it's nit hand waving, it's just your trollest and unwilling attitude to understand, or just you as cosmin wanting to troll because you enjoy it. *Obviously, you don't understand but indulge the illusion that you do. Fact is I don't fully understand the time ordering of events, such as if two events are simultaneous in one frame, and not in another, will the time order necessarily be reversed in that frame and all others, and if so, why? It's a subtle issue which was never covered in my course work on relativity. You suffer the character flaw of thinking you know more than you actually do, which is a sign of immaturity regardless of your actual chronological age. AG* You are as immature as immaturity can get, you are a total nuisance, you are unwilling to understand, the only thing you want is to be an utterly crap human being. *Obviously, you can't answer my question about time ordering. It probably never even occurred to you. So I close my case against you; an arrogant fool who suffers the illusion of thinking he knows more than he actually does. AG * I'll close my case, you're a despicable human being, only taking pride by being an annoyance. Please, go away, let's get back this list to meaningful questions with reasonable and willing and good person, you and cosmin are the worst the human mind can get at, leave this list alone. How the fuck did you end up here spitting your stupidity at us ? *In effect you've admitted to being unable to answer my question about time ordering of events. I occasionally have problems with assholes like you, when I pose questions you haven't ever considered and then have the audacity of accusing me of trolling. AG * You are a nuisance. A troll. *Then don't respond to anything I might write, since your responses are either useless and/or abusive. I don't need you and I won't miss you. AG * *BTW, I never troll, as it would be a waste of my time. Finally, French or not, you're a totally worthless a'hole IMO, so please cease responding to anything I might write. AG* Let me suggest that you go F yourself if you know how, which is doubtful. Just STFU. Please do it yoyrself, useless garbage discussion from you, it's the everything list ffs. I was in France a while back, and I nearly exclusively met a'holes rude a'holes like you. AG Great, I'm not french, so STFU. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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