Le dim. 15 déc. 2024, 21:49, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit :
> > > On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 1:39:54 PM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le dim. 15 déc. 2024, 21:24, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > > On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 1:15:44 PM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Le dim. 15 déc. 2024, 21:09, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit : > > On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 12:54:08 PM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Le dim. 15 déc. 2024, 20:45, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit : > > On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 11:24:36 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Le dim. 15 déc. 2024, 18:48, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit : > > On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 6:45:57 AM UTC-7 Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Le dim. 15 déc. 2024, 14:31, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit : > > On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 6:20:47 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 5:41:54 AM UTC-7 John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 14, 2024 at 11:01 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: > > * > What bothers me is the disagreement between frames about fitness or > not, and why the alleged lack of simultaneity resolves the apparent > contradiction. AG * > > > *In this thought experiment I think even you would agree that no matter > how fast or slow the car is going there will always be times when the front > of the car is in the garage, and times when the back of the car is in the > garage; so the question of the day is " Is there any frame of reference in > which those two events occur SIMULTANEOUSLY?" Einstein's answer is "yes", > provided the car is moving fast enough. And as proof that Einstein's answer > was correct, in this thought experiment, above a certain speed, there is NO > frame of reference in which there is a car shaped hole in the back door of > the garage. * > > *John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* > > > No. Above a certain speed, since the car is length contracted from the pov > of the garage frame, the car will fit in the garage, and waiting some time, > then being in a different reference frame, it could hit the back door. AG > > > But the real question is this; if from the pov of the car frame, there is > a v such that the car never fits in the garage for this v and greater, why > is it claimed that lack of simultaneity between frames solves the problem, > since we're only considering simultaneity in garage frame where the car > fits? AG > > eua > > > It's crazy you're still on this... wtf is your definition of fits in which > doesn't involve simultaneously having rear and front of the car in the > garage? > > Quentin > > > I never denied that "fitting" requires simultaneity. > > > > Then wtf are you trolling about ? > > > *Earlier you asked if I agreed that fitting requires simultaneity, and I > affirmed that. My problem all along, which apparently went over your head, > is how the two frames can give diametrically opposite results. All you were > capable of doing was to repeat some slogan without offering any genuine > explanation. * > > > Bullshit, everyone here explained it was about ordering of events, it's > nit hand waving, it's just your trollest and unwilling attitude to > understand, or just you as cosmin wanting to troll because you enjoy it. > > > *Obviously, you don't understand but indulge the illusion that you do. > Fact is I don't fully understand the time ordering of events, such as if > two events are simultaneous in one frame, and not in another, will the time > order necessarily be reversed in that frame and all others, and if so, why? > It's a subtle issue which was never covered in my course work on > relativity. You suffer the character flaw of thinking you know more than > you actually do, which is a sign of immaturity regardless of your actual > chronological age. AG* > > > You are as immature as immaturity can get, you are a total nuisance, you > are unwilling to understand, the only thing you want is to be an utterly > crap human being. > > > *Obviously, you can't answer my question about time ordering. It probably > never even occurred to you. So I close my case against you; an arrogant > fool who suffers the illusion of thinking he knows more than he actually > does. AG * > > > I'll close my case, you're a despicable human being, only taking pride by > being an annoyance. Please, go away, let's get back this list to meaningful > questions with reasonable and willing and good person, you and cosmin are > the worst the human mind can get at, leave this list alone. How the fuck > did you end up here spitting your stupidity at us ? > > > *In effect you've admitted to being unable to answer my question about > time ordering of events. I occasionally have problems with assholes like > you, when I pose questions you haven't ever considered and then have the > audacity of accusing me of trolling. AG* > It's even perversion, negating reality, putting lies in the mouth of others, you are an awful pervert. Go away, die on your own shit please > > You are a nuisance. A troll. > > > *Then don't respond to anything I might write, since your responses are > either useless and/or abusive. I don't need you and I won't miss you. AG * > > > *BTW, I never troll, as it would be a waste of my time. Finally, French or > not, you're a totally worthless a'hole IMO, so please cease responding to > anything I might write. AG* > > > Let me suggest that you go F yourself if you know how, which is doubtful. > Just STFU. > > > Please do it yoyrself, useless garbage discussion from you, it's the > everything list ffs. > > I was in France a while back, and I nearly exclusively met a'holes rude > a'holes like you. AG > > > Great, I'm not french, so STFU. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/51827ff1-6044-4191-85ff-ec5f54f840e4n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/51827ff1-6044-4191-85ff-ec5f54f840e4n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kAr7G1qnXhNwp6JRx2Ys7Ji1x1X0bLoBCHmoK3E8XZOacQ%40mail.gmail.com.
