RE: POP3 to New Exchange 2003 environment

Terry Ganus Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:42:30 -0700

Again, nothing short of what I expect from you Ed. Do you feel bigger now?How deep is your arrogance?

A simple question to a simple process...and Yes, POP is ugly, and should bebanned, but not everyone can afford the luxury of total MAPI. In the realworld, sometimes you have to do what you do not want to do. Why doesn'tMicrosoft remove POP access?

All I was hoping for was someone who may have experienced this and found analternative solution. I did not expect to be ridculed in a public forum.The initial answers I got were non-productive and I asked for elaboration.

As far as trolling on this list..I have been watching this for lists formonths and for the first thing I ask about, I am flamed for asking....

Forgive my ignorance...but hiding in anonimouty and arrogance is not veryprofessional is it? Or do you sit and wait for something like this to flexyour depth and knowledge...and try to humiliate someone? Exactly what isbothering you Ed?

I am also sorry my expectations are so high, it makes it more disappointingwhen I see someone I respect so immature and unprofessional.


Terry

<BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E52px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'><fontstyle='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'><hr color=#A0C6E5size=1>From: "Ed Crowley [MVP]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "ExchangeDiscussions" <[email protected]> To:"Exchange Discussions"<[email protected]> Subject: RE: POP3 to NewExchange 2003 environment Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:59:54-0700 POP is not a mail routing protocol. It is a single client tosingle mailbox protocol. Perhaps you might want to read the relevantInternet RFC to better understand how it works and why it won't do whatyou want. The reason this works for MAPI is because the protocolsupports the redirection. That is, the client connects to the oldserver, and it notifies the client, through supported protocol elements,that the location has changed. Then the client updates itself andcontacts the correct server. Exchange is not designed, and hasnever been designed, to act as a proxy for other servers until the notionof a front-end server came along. This is what it is specificallysupposed to do. If you want that function, then buy the box. If you canlive without it, then it's your choice. Or quit using such a limitiedprotocol. POP is about as basic (stupid) as a protocol can be. Ofcourse, if you had read the RFC, you'd have known that. Whining aboutwhat Exchange "ought to do" won't get your problemresolved. Arguing with those telling you how it is won't change thearchitecture of the product. I think it's time for you to move on andtroll a different list now. Ed Crowley MCSE+InternetMVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs andBricked Backups!T -----Original Message----- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry Ganus Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:53AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: POP3 to New Exchange 2003environment I would not have expected anything less from youEd. Alas, there is hope that you could ride a bus. Like Icould have a route statement or routing group handle it...but there doesnot appear to be any chauffers for such a simpletask. Terry <BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px;MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT:0px'><font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'><hrcolor=#A0C6E5 size=1> From: &quot;Ed Crowley[MVP]&quot; &lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]&gt; Reply-To:&quot;Exchange Discussions&quot;&lt;[email protected]&gt; To: &quot;ExchangeDiscussions&quot; &lt;[email protected]&gt; Subject:RE: POP3 to New Exchange 2003environment Date: Tue, 30 Aug 200509:54:07 -0700 My car should be able to drive me whereI want to go without me touching anything. Alas, itdoesn't. Ed CrowleyMCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-MailPhilosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and BrickedBackups!T -----OriginalMessage----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:bounce-12066712-6315 [EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Terry Ganus Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:56AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: POP3 toNew Exchange 2003 environment Why? Once inside, theExchange Orginization should be able to figure out who is who.It does with all other mailand access. &lt;BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT:5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid;MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'&gt;&lt;font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'&gt; &lt;hr color=#A0C6E5 size=1&gt; From:&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Chris Scharff&amp;quot; &amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]&amp;gt;&lt;/i&gt;& lt;br&gt;Reply-To: &lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Exchange Discussions&amp;quot; &amp;lt;[email protected]&amp;gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;To: &lt ;i&gt;&amp;quot;Exchange Discussions&amp;quot; &amp;lt;[email protected]&amp;gt;&lt;/ i&gt;&lt;br&gt;Subject: &lt;i&gt;RE: POP3 to New Exchange2003 environment&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;Date:&lt;i&gt;Tue, 30 Aug2005 08:49:23 -0500&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;You needa front-end serverto perform proxying.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-----Original Message-----&lt;br&gt;From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] &lt;br&gt;[mailto:bounce-12066563-142 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On BehalfOf&lt;br&gt;Terry Ganus&lt;br&gt;Posted At: Tuesday, August30, 2005 8:40 AM&lt;br&gt;Posted To:swynk&lt;br&gt;Conversation: POP3 to New Exchange2003 environment&lt;br&gt;Subject: POP3 to NewExchange 2003 environment&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hi,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We recentlyupgraded to AD 2003 and added a new Exchange 2003server and&lt;br&gt;we are slowly moving each user (lessthan 300) from the old 2000&lt;br&gt;Exchange server.Everything works flawlessly with the exceptionof&lt;br&gt;users getting access to POP3 mail once they areon the new Exchange 2003&lt;br&gt;server. The outsideworld sees our internal pop3 as mail.domain.comand&lt;br&gt;that is setup on 300 different locations that relyon pop3 access.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do havePOP3 enabled on both servers. SP1 is in place. Thisis under&lt;br&gt;one e-mail orginization and one domain, oneforest. Every other&lt;br&gt;function of e-mail betweengroups in this orginization works great.All&lt;br&gt;POP3 and SMTP is being routed to the original 2000exchange server and&lt;br&gt;thendistributed&lt;br&gt;from there. When I try to accesse-mail via pop3 with a useron the&lt;br&gt;new&lt;br&gt;server I get an errormessage that the user is unknown...I findthis&lt;br&gt;interesting because asone e-mail orginization, it should see everyuser&lt;br&gt;as long asPOP3 is enabled.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The goal isto move all users to the new Exchange server and thenremove&lt;br&gt;the old exchange server from the environment.Until then, I need POP3&lt;br&gt;to come into asingle point and see both servers orcorrectly route&lt;br&gt;throughoutthe e-mail orginization.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Terry&lt;b r&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;_________________________________________ __ ______________________&lt;br&gt;List posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm&lt;br&gt;Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=exchange&lt;br&gt;To subscribe: http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/&lt;br&gt;To unsub scribe sendablank email to&lt;br&gt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]&lt;br&gt;E xchange Listadmin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]&lt;br&gt;To unsubscribevia postal mail, please contact usat:&lt;br&gt;Jupitermedia Corp.&lt;br&gt;Attn: DiscussionList Management&lt;br&gt;475 Park AvenueSouth&lt;br&gt;New York, NY10016&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please include the emailaddress which you havebeen contacted with.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________ ___________________________________________ ______________&lt;br&gt;List< br>posting FAQ: http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm&lt;br&gt;Web Interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=exchange&lt;br&gt;To subscribe: http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/&lt;br&gt;To unsub scribe senda blankemail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]&lt;br&gt;ExchangeList admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]&lt;br&gt;Tounsubscribe via postal mail, please contactus at:&lt;br&gt;JupitermediaCorp.&lt;br&gt;Attn: Discussion ListManagement&lt;br&gt;475 Park AvenueSouth&lt;br&gt;New York, NY10016&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please include the emailaddress which you have beencontacted with.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; ___ ______________________________________________________________ List postingFAQ:http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm Web Interface:http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=exchange To subscribe:http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ To unsubscribesend a blankemail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ExchangeList admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postalmail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. 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