As long as you want to keep arguing... I didn't suggest that POP ought to be banned. I do suggest that a qualified administrator should understand the designed-in limitations of POP before criticizing an implementation of it.
Microsoft supports POP like any other mail server supports POP. The client connects to the server. If you move the mailbox, the client has to connect to the correct server, so you have to change the client. I'm not aware of any other POP server that handles this any differently. You may not like the fact that a front-end server extends the function of POP by fronting the handling of the protocol, thus eliminating the requirement to change the client, but, as I told you, it's a function extension specifically with the front-end server architecture. Nobody flamed you for asking anything. You were flamed because you seem to imply that the fact that the product doesn't support what you think it ought to support--no matter how impractical--somehow makes it deficient. It is you who started this cloud of negativity. Don't blame anyone else but yourself for the responses you got. As to your assessment of my professionalism, I simply consider the source. Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP Freelance E-Mail Philosopher Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Ganus Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:42 AM To: Exchange Discussions Subject: RE: POP3 to New Exchange 2003 environment Again, nothing short of what I expect from you Ed. Do you feel bigger now? How deep is your arrogance? A simple question to a simple process...and Yes, POP is ugly, and should be banned, but not everyone can afford the luxury of total MAPI. In the real world, sometimes you have to do what you do not want to do. Why doesn't Microsoft remove POP access? All I was hoping for was someone who may have experienced this and found an alternative solution. I did not expect to be ridculed in a public forum. The initial answers I got were non-productive and I asked for elaboration. As far as trolling on this list..I have been watching this for lists for months and for the first thing I ask about, I am flamed for asking.... Forgive my ignorance...but hiding in anonimouty and arrogance is not very professional is it? Or do you sit and wait for something like this to flex your depth and knowledge...and try to humiliate someone? Exactly what is bothering you Ed? I am also sorry my expectations are so high, it makes it more disappointing when I see someone I respect so immature and unprofessional. Terry <BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'><font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'><hr color=#A0C6E5 size=1> From: <i>"Ed Crowley [MVP]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></i><br>Reply-To: <i>"Exchange Discussions" <[email protected]></i><br>To: <i>"Exchange Discussions" <[email protected]></i><br>Subject: <i>RE: POP3 to New Exchange 2003 environment</i><br>Date: <i>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:59:54 -0700</i><br>POP is not a mail routing protocol. It is a single client to single mailbox<br>protocol. Perhaps you might want to read the relevant Internet RFC to<br>better understand how it works and why it won't do what you want.<br><br>The reason this works for MAPI is because the protocol supports the<br>redirection. That is, the client connects to the old server, and it<br>notifies the client, through supported protocol elements, that the location<br>has changed. Then the client updates itself and contacts the correct<br>server.<br><br>Exchange is not designed, and has never been designed, to act as a proxy for<br>other servers until the notion of a front-end server came along. This is<br>what it is specifically supposed to do. If you want that function, then buy<br>the box. If you can live without it, then it's your choice. Or quit using<br>such a limitied protocol. POP is about as basic (stupid) as a protocol can<br>be. Of course, if you had read the RFC, you'd have known that.<br><br>Whining about what Exchange "ought to do" won't get your problem resolved.<br>Arguing with those telling you how it is won't change the architecture of<br>the product. I think it's time for you to move on and troll a different<br>list now.<br><br>Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP<br>Freelance E-Mail Philosopher<br>Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>[mailto:bounce-12068937-6315 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry<br>Ganus<br>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:53 AM<br>To: Exchange Discussions<br>Subject: RE: POP3 to New Exchange 2003 environment<br><br>I would not have expected anything less from you Ed.<br><br>Alas, there is hope that you could ride a bus.<br><br>Like I could have a route statement or routing group handle it...but there<br>does not appear to be any chauffers for such a simple task.<br><br>Terry<br><br><BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5<br>2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'><font<br>style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'> <hr color=#A0C6E5<br>size=1><br>From: <i>&quot;Ed Crowley [MVP]&quot;<br>&lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]&gt;</i><br>Repl y-To: <i>&quot;Exchange<br>Discussions&quot; &lt;[email protected]&gt;</i><br>To:<br>< ;i>&quot;Exchange Discussions&quot;<br>&lt;[email protected]&gt;</ i><br>Subject: <i>RE: POP3 to New<br>Exchange 2003 environment</i><br>Date: <i>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:54:07<br>-0700</i><br>My car should be able to drive me where I want to go without me<br>touching<br>anything. Alas, it doesn't.<br><br>Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet<br>MVP<br>Freelance E-Mail Philosopher<br>Protecting the world from PSTs and<br>Bricked Backups!T<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:<br>[EMAIL PROTECTED]& lt;br>[mailto:bounce-12066712-6315<br>[EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>On Behalf Of Terry<br>Ganus<br>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:56 AM<br>To:<br><br>Exchange Discussions<br>Subject: RE: POP3 to New Exchange 2003<br>environment<br><br>Why? Once inside, the Exchange Orginization should be<br>able to figure out<br>who is who. It does with all other mail and<br>access.<br><br>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;<br>BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5<br>2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT:<br>0px'&gt;&lt;font<br>style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FON T-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'&gt;<br>&lt;hr<br>color=#A0C6E5<br> size=1&gt;<br>From: &lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Chris<br>Scharff&amp;quot;<br>& amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]&amp;gt;&lt;/i&gt;&<br>lt ;br&gt;Reply-To:<br> &lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Exchange<br>Discussions&amp;quot;<b r>&amp;lt;[email protected]&amp;gt;&lt;/i&gt;&a mp;lt;br&gt;To:<br>&lt<br>;i&gt;&amp;quot;Exchange<br> Discussions&amp;quot;<br>&amp;lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] m&amp;gt;&lt;/<br>i&gt;&lt;br&gt;Subject:<br> &lt;i&gt;RE: POP3 to New<br>Exchange 2003<br>environment&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;Date: &lt;i&gt;Tue, 30 Aug 2005<br>08:49:23<br>-0500&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;You need a front-end server to<br>perform<br>proxying.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-----Ori ginal<br>Message-----&lt;br&gt;From:<br>bounce-12066563-142912 [EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>&lt;br&gt;[mailto:bounce-12066563-142< br>[EMAIL PROTECTED]<br>On<br>Behalf Of&lt;br&gt;Terry Ganus&lt;br&gt;Posted At: Tuesday, August 30, 2005<br>8:40<br>AM&lt;br&gt;Posted To: swynk&lt;br&gt;Conversation: POP3 to New<br>Exchange 2003<br>environment&lt;br&gt;Subject: POP3 to New Exchange<br>2003<br>environment&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&am p;lt;br&gt;Hi,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We<br>recently upgraded to AD 2003 and added<br>a new Exchange 2003 server<br>and&lt;br&gt;we are slowly moving each user (less than<br>300) from the old<br>2000&lt;br&gt;Exchange server. Everything works flawlessly with<br>the<br>exception of&lt;br&gt;users getting access to POP3 mail once they are on<br>the<br>new Exchange 2003&lt;br&gt;server. The outside world sees our<br>internal pop3 as<br>mail.domain.com and&lt;br&gt;that is setup on 300<br>different locations that rely on<br>pop3 access.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do<br>have POP3 enabled on both servers. SP1 is in place.<br><br> This is<br>under&lt;br&gt;one e-mail orginization and one domain, one forest.<br>Every<br>other&lt;br&gt;function of e-mail between groups in this orginization<br>works<br>great. All&lt;br&gt;POP3 and SMTP is being routed to the original<br>2000 exchange<br>server and&lt;br&gt;then distributed&lt;br&gt;from there.<br><br>When I try to access e-mail<br>via pop3 with a user on<br>the&lt;br&gt;new&lt;br&gt;server I get an error message that the<br>user is<br>unknown...I find this&lt;br&gt;interesting because as one<br>e-mail<br>orginization, it should see every user&lt;br&gt;as long as POP3<br>is<br>enabled.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The goal is to move all users to the new<br>Exchange server and<br>then remove&lt;br&gt;the old exchange server from the<br>environment. Until then, I<br>need POP3&lt;br&gt;to come into a single<br>point and see both servers or correctly<br>route&lt;br&gt;throughout the<br>e-mail<br>orginization.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank<b r>you,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Terry&lt;b<br>r&gt;& ;lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;__________________________ _______________<br>__<br>______________________&lt;br&gt;List& lt;br>posting<br>FAQ:<br>http://www.swinc.com/resource/exch_faq.htm&l t;br&gt;Web<br>Interface:<br>http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?fo rum=exchange&lt;br&gt;To<br>subscribe:<br>http://e-newsletters .internet.com/discussionlists.html/&lt;br&gt;To<br>unsub<br>sc ribe<br>send a blank<br>email<br>to&lt;br&gt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] parklist.com&lt;br&gt;E<br>xchange<br>List admin:<br> [EMAIL PROTECTED]&lt;br&gt;To unsubscribe via postal<br><br>mail, please contact<br>us at:&lt;br&gt;Jupitermedia Corp.&lt;br&gt;Attn:<br>Discussion List Management&lt;br&gt;475 Park<br>Avenue South&lt;br&gt;New<br>York, NY 10016&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please include the email address<br>which<br>you have been<br>contacted<br>with.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt; 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