At this point its sad to say the LAZY super is here to stay and so are the
independent departments.  So he is looking at the best way to deal with the
workload.

-----Original Message-----
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:18 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?

I agree.  The idea that you could have 15 computers on your network (in your
domain?) without knowing about it is a clear indication that management
ISN'T
doing its job...

-- Drew
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin
Blackstone
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 11:11 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?


So it really isn't a matter of too much work, but rather a matter of poor
management.
In any company, but in particular one your size, allowing departments to
manage computers is a recipe for disaster. It probably seemed like a good
idea at the time, but not any longer.
There should be a central point of contact for all machines. Orders are
placed through that group and delivered to them for configuration and
delivery to the end users or departments. That way all hardware is fully
tracked and managed.
You should be using logon scripts as one method of pushing out AV installs
and DAT updates. That way for someone to login, AV software has to be
installed.

I would suggest rather than spend 50-60K a year for an AV tech, that you put
that time / money into better management. Ill bet you if you went to upper
management and said "OK, we need a new hardware procedure, OR we need to
spend 60K a year for an AV guy, they would let you have your way"

-----Original Message-----
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:04 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?


Symantec Corporate, 7.5.  Waiting for 7.6 to arrive.  We also will be
purchasing a Mcafee e500.

A good portion of or problems relate to a LAZY supervisor and several
departments that are in charge of their own equipment.  Just yesterday we
ran into a lab that had 15 new machines on our domain that we didn't know
about.  All without any AV and 2 were nimda monsters.

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?

What are you using for your AV solution?

-----Original Message-----
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?


At 1300 machines given the problems we appear to be having, the guy that
does our AV wants a FTE created for it because he feels it would be
appropriate.

-----Original Message-----
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?

How big is your company?

Is 10,000 users enough for it to be a full time job?  100,000 users?

It varies from org to org.

-- Drew
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian Ko
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?


I don't think this is a full time job.   If you have a full time
position just for A/V, you'd have to have a backup person since viruses
do not take any vacation.   Instead of having full time position, pay
A/V vendor to notify you (& other support staffs) when there's new virus via
pager, cell phone, email, etc.  If you want to have closer relationship with
A/V vendor, pay more money to have someone like Technical Account Manager,
TAM.  Once you have those communcation method established, you have to have
software that can distribute updates automatically and fast.

My two cents...

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hansen, Eric
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: AV! a full time job?



Just curious what some of the Exchange Admins think.  Would you consider
Antivirus a full time job?  I speak for both email and network/desktop.


Around here it isn't, although we wish it was cause it seems to be getting
neglected.  We are around 1300 users right now.

e-

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