I use to think it was my lazy boss.  And I was told it was him, but when
crap hits the fan its clearly not him, it's broken down by who maintains the
product... by choice of the team members. 

If that sounds ugly or a bad way to run a team, your right.  But that is
another story.  

I really liked what James Blunt said.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ward, Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 12:03 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?

Who has the ultimate responsibility for the overall functionality of the
network? If it's you, you're the boss  - change the passwords and tell them
to stick it!

-----Original Message-----
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 2:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?


Other departments who have the rights to do it.  We have argued this to the
Nth degree, trust me its beyond all hope.  If we change passwords we get
chewed out and told to change them back.

-----Original Message-----
From: Anderson, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?

How are they joining machines w/o your knowledge? Time to change some
passwords.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:04 AM
Posted To: Exchange
Conversation: AV! a full time job?
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?


Symantec Corporate, 7.5.  Waiting for 7.6 to arrive.  We also will be
purchasing a Mcafee e500.

A good portion of or problems relate to a LAZY supervisor and several
departments that are in charge of their own equipment.  Just yesterday
we ran into a lab that had 15 new machines on our domain that we didn't
know about.  All without any AV and 2 were nimda monsters.

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:03 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?

What are you using for your AV solution?

-----Original Message-----
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:00 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?


At 1300 machines given the problems we appear to be having, the guy that
does our AV wants a FTE created for it because he feels it would be
appropriate.

-----Original Message-----
From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 9:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?

How big is your company?

Is 10,000 users enough for it to be a full time job?  100,000 users?

It varies from org to org.

-- Drew
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian Ko
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: AV! a full time job?


I don't think this is a full time job.   If you have a full time
position just for A/V, you'd have to have a backup person since viruses
do not take any vacation.   Instead of having full time position, pay
A/V vendor to notify you (& other support staffs) when there's new virus
via pager, cell phone, email, etc.  If you want to have closer
relationship with A/V vendor, pay more money to have someone like
Technical Account Manager, TAM.  Once you have those communcation method
established, you have to have software that can distribute updates
automatically and fast.

My two cents...

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hansen, Eric
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:24 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: AV! a full time job?



Just curious what some of the Exchange Admins think.  Would you consider
Antivirus a full time job?  I speak for both email and network/desktop.


Around here it isn't, although we wish it was cause it seems to be
getting neglected.  We are around 1300 users right now.

e-

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