That is so not fair.  I doubt that my three favorite movies would endear
me to a group of men, who tend to be a bit more, shall we say,
neandrathal, in their choices.

M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Soysal, Serdar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: Cerification question


This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you
exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: "What are your three
favorite movies?"  If the person likes similar movies as the general
team
and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy.

Serdar Soysal


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Cerification question


I deal with (new and different) people daily who have "worked with
Exchange
for years" but don't know their database from their check file. I
wouldn't
let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I worked on but they
are
the hired "Exchange expert" for their company.  The fact is that people
are
people, and certified people are not inherently better than experienced
people or vice versa.  I think that the best bet is the person who
realizes
that, regardless of how much he knows, he does not know everything and
is
always willing and wanting to learn more than he currently knows.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: Cerification question
Subject: RE: Cerification question


Very good points.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Cerification question


You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper
MCSEs
out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho experience.
Most
hiring managers, all things being equal will look at experience first
but...
then certs.  Additionally while experience is the best there are people
that
have worked in one environment for so long that they know NOTHING about
any
other capabilities of the hardware/software.  They are nearly as bad as
the
paper MSCE because the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and
because of their experience think the only way to run a network is the
way
they did it at their last job.  At least the Paper boyz know they are
limited, are willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half
the
drama the "experience" guy does.  They piss me off so much more, that
and
they usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that
way
but that it is just the best way.  Experience is NOT always the best
qualifier either

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