My point is that having a cert can't hurt you. It might help you put your foot in a door that could be closed otherwise. Now, Why the door could be closed is another issue altogether, and I agree with you there.
I am looking at it from the employee perspective. Jerzy Setmajer > > From: "Andy David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2002/05/02 Thu AM 10:54:52 EDT > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: RE: Cerification question > > But that analogy doesnt quite fit. > You are required by law to have a license in order to drive. > Companies who require certifications as a minimal standard for hiring are > only cutting themselves off from many talented professionals. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerzy Setmajer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:45 AM > To: Exchange Discussions > Subject: Re: RE: Cerification question > > > I do not understand what is all the fuss about. > > I would like to point out that nobody here said that having a cert could > hurt you. That means that it will be either ignored or it will help you. > NO? > > Meaningless paper? Perhaps, but so is your driver's license. Does not mean > you are a good driver, but you can't rent a car without it. > > Jerzy Setmajer > > > > From: "King, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2002/05/02 Thu AM 10:41:39 EDT > > To: "Exchange Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: Cerification question > > > > I have been conducting all my interviews wrong..!!! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Soysal, Serdar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:35 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Cerification question > > > > > > This may sound odd but there is one golden question that will tell you > > exactly if the candidate will fit the group or not: "What are your > > three favorite movies?" If the person likes similar movies as the > > general team and sounds smart, than he/she is a good buy. > > > > Serdar Soysal > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Mynhier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:17 AM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Cerification question > > > > > > I deal with (new and different) people daily who have "worked with > > Exchange for years" but don't know their database from their check > > file. I wouldn't let them within 20 feet of any Exchange server that I > > worked on but they are the hired "Exchange expert" for their company. > > The fact is that people are people, and certified people are not > > inherently better than experienced people or vice versa. I think that > > the best bet is the person who realizes that, regardless of how much > > he knows, he does not know everything and is always willing and > > wanting to learn more than he currently knows. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Posted At: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:43 PM > > Posted To: Exchange Discussion List > > Conversation: Cerification question > > Subject: RE: Cerification question > > > > > > Very good points. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:22 PM > > To: Exchange Discussions > > Subject: RE: Cerification question > > > > > > You people talk like you can't have both. Sure there are some paper > > MCSEs out there but there are also many MCSEs that have mucho > > experience. Most hiring managers, all things being equal will look at > > experience first but... then certs. Additionally while experience is > > the best there are people that have worked in one environment for so > > long that they know NOTHING about any other capabilities of the > > hardware/software. They are nearly as bad as the paper MSCE because > > the scope of their knowledge is so very limited and because of their > > experience think the only way to run a network is the way they did it > > at their last job. At least the Paper boyz know they are limited, are > > willing to learn, cost half as much and don't cause half the drama the > > "experience" guy does. They piss me off so much more, that and they > > usually have no idea as to WHY their last network was set up that way > > but that it is just the best way. 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