no one threatens with lawyers, police (militia) or some sort of better business
bureau. in this city, the ubiquitous threat (with the occasional half-ironic
allusion to 90's era 'krisha') is notifying the tax police. people, no one
actually knows anyone from the tax police, and even if you found someone and
notified them, something surprisingly close to 100% of the people/businesses in
this country avoid taxes in one way or another, which means that i'm pretty
sure the tax police have better things to worry about than to right the wrongs
of an ethically dubious landlady.
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:30:16 +0000
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Expat List "The Cheating Landlord Scandal"
To: [email protected]
Arthur, the mention of a tax inspector would work most of the time but should
be last resort and not when you want to stay living in the apartment.
Even if there is no contract for the sum paid, there should still be an
agreement or the tenant can't live there legally.
Rgds,
Nick
From: Arthur R <[email protected]>
To: The Moscow Expat List <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, 16 May, 2009 18:31:39
Subject: Re: Expat List "The Cheating Landlord Scandal"
To 2:
It's hard to prove
A signed contract is not a proof, only a receipt written by the owner
proves that he\she has received money and therefore has to pay a tax.
Advanced owners know that well and if they didn't sign anything except
for a contract (dogovor) they will not fear for themselves getting in
trouble.
If a tenant has receipt that he\she has paid money than that might be
useful in this case and influence the owner's decision.
Anyway, you have to know that for this case there is no prison sentence,
only a fine.
* Nick REES <[email protected]> [Fri, 15 May 2009 12:10:59 +0000
(GMT)]:
> I guess most of the potential ideas have been suggested but I think
that
> some of them will get
you nowhere as, at the end of the day, you're
> going to find yourself out of this apartment whether you like it or
not.
>
> 1/ Speak to your agent if you have one. Get them to help you find a
new
> place free of charge. If they refuse, get the name of the GD, print it
> here along with his/her name and email address.....and see how much
> people power will help.
>
> 2/ If you haven't got an agent, don't try threatening with tax police
> etc yourself. Just say that your lawyer or chief accountant from work
is
> married to a tax inspector and suggests you give the
information.....but
> that you don't want to do that because you're a friendly person and
you
> don't like putting people in prison!! You're looking to get your
deposit
> back and a "friendly" exit from the apartment.
>
> Hope this helps and please let us know how you get
on.
>
> Regards,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Vladimir <[email protected]>
> To: The Moscow Expat List <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, 15 May, 2009 15:36:38
> Subject: Re: Expat List (no subject)
>
> Hi Shi,
>
> I guess you do not have much to do in such a situation.
>
> What you can tell the landlady that if she does not respect the
> contract, you will report her into the local tax office. Just tell her
> that you will send the office a copy of your rental contract (I hope
> that you and she signed the one).
>
> The tax people in Moscow do react to such reports, and usually call
> landladies
to urge them to submit tax declarations, or face a fine.
> You will need to indicate her address - where she lives - and her home
> phone number.
>
> The list of inspections in each okrug is here:
>
> http://www.r77.nalog.ru/str.php?topic=imns77
>
> You may need to call one of them in the okrug where the landlady
> lives, give them her street and they will tell you which office
> handles the area.
>
> However, the first point to contact is the agency which you used. I
> hope this is not Inkom!
>
> Cheers
>
> Vladimir
>
> Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:59:02 PM, you wrote:
>
>
>> I wonder if this happens frequently in Russia. I rent a one room
> apartment in spartivnaya for 35000 rubles via agency. After 2 months,
> the owner came
in and said that she wants to end the contract
>> with me, giving unreasonable reasons, like living more than 2 people
> (in fact we doesn't), and complaints by neighbours... which doesn't
> happen before. She even bring several people who wanted to
>> rent it and looked around. I was shocked. Apparently, she decided to
> rent it for a better price while we signed a one year contract. How
the
> hell does something like this ever happens.
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