On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 20:27, stefmit wrote: > On Sunday 15 June 2003 03:13 pm, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: > > Actually I think he has got a point and everybody misunderstood him. IMHO > > he wasn't bashing Mandrake, but merely stating a Linux general problem. > > The libraries and dependencies thing is linux is really a big PITA. Each > > time I want to install something which is not in my standard distro I have > > to go through the pains of hell for searching for dependencies. As far as > > urpmi is concerned it does a great job, but since it cannot resolve > > dependencies outside the mdk distro, it doesn't help much. I hate Winblows > > and still dream of the day when I could totally switch to linux, but linux > > is not making things very easy for us who want to switch to it. In winblows > > I don't have to give a rats ass about dependencies. Most programs come with > > the needed library statically binded or depends on libraries which are > > already in the distros of about 5 major types of winblows on the use at > > this time. > > <snip> > > My point EXACTLY - thank you, Adrian. You see - unlike many of you on this > list, I am NOT a Linux guru - I am a network geek, by all means, and I really > got a kick out of Linux the first time I discovered it can run tcpdump > (1993-4-5?!? ... can't even remember). I LOVE Linux, but I never did > development on its platform, and the only time I really touched *nix > programming was in school, for Tannenbaum's Minix (awesome!) OS design class. > And ever since, I have looked toward Linux as my platform of choice for TOOLS > for networking and security ... but in the last couple of years it became > more and more bloated, trying to gain a market it has NO CHANCE of conquering > (desktop), moving in the direction of Windows, with light-years behind it in > regards to ease of use. And you know what? It SHALL NOT be easy to use (as in > GUI/KDE/Gnome-like - at least not as a unique purpose! ... perhaps it can > come as a by-product, when everything is stable enough to be worth looking in > that direction). And all this with the price of incompatibility with the > things supposed to be used for ... > > I have a group I am in charge with, of very sharp network gurus, whom I am > trying to continuously push toward Linux, while my job keeps me more and more > away from this, more into responsibilities of what I call "pie-chart > creation" :( ... but even this bias toward Linux as a platform comes with a > huge price: countless hours spent on trying to make things work under Linux > (ntop, nagios, snort, mrtg, rancid, etc.), to the point when the > time*resources spent cannot justify anymore the *assumed" costless choice of > running such things on Linux. Many times I have to humbly recognize my > failure when being asked by the CEO: why didn't you buy X, or Y, or Z, pay > $$$ on MS W2K and MS SQL, and get YOUR JOB (networking and security!!) done? > And many times I have no answer ... > > Sorry for the off-topic comments above ... all I was hoping was to find the > "recipe" for libraries issues in Linux, primarily for Mandrake. I got some > good advices, and I got some new ideas to try, but mostly I got "yes, this > and that are weird". Thank you all for helping. I sure hope things will get > back to where I met Linux first time: Yggdrasil's distro ... what a hell of a > time we had together, then ;) ... while trying to resolve my MDK issues ... > and wondering if they are really only mine?!?
Just to note... some of the Yggdrasil guys are still kicking around here in the valley... I see them at SVLUG and Internet developers group all the time. > > Thx, > Stef > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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