Chris,
I see what you mean. Probably true especially in the case of wings and
diffusers. Many FF guys going to FC with wings had trouble learning how to
adjust the wings.
However, there are ways to control costs and make understanding tuning
easier. Lists like this are a big help.
Suspension tuning already is already different on a F500 from a Kart. We
rarely play with front wheel offset and caster. We can adjust roll couple
distribution by changing the motion ratio of the rubber puck vs. the
suspension.
In the case of REAL shocks and springs, I actually think that most people
would be happier and understand how to tune almost immediately.
If the coil-overs are on bellcranks with adjustable ratios, then tuning for
balance is the same as it is now in F500, move or slide the rod end to a
different hole or position.
Controlled cost identical shocks were killed in the past because it was
theorized that they wouldn't fit every current chassis the same way. That
really wasn't valid. a NEW RUBBER SUSPENSION RUBBER COMPOUND WOULD REQUIRE
THE SAME OR MORE DEVELOPMENT ON THE CURRENT CARS. Oops, not yelling, just
hit the cap key by mistake.
Sway bars are not really necessary to the look nor function of a formula
car. So those could be left off. The newest DSR's don't have any.
Finally, the average street rat these days knows a lot more about springs
and shocks than I did in 1966 when I started driving. The magazines are
full of technical articles (as well as pretty girls).
Making F500 Karter friendly is something that probably could be only be
accommodated to a certain point; it has to be current racer friendly as well
as friendly to other possible buyers such as the hot hatch street set.
Chuck
From: Chris Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [F500] RE: Beyond powerplants/trannys
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 05:16:06 -0700 (PDT)
Chuck all those shocks and wings and sway bars is what scares all the
first timers away from road racing, too complicated, I need an engineer
with me to go racing. The point of having a class that is supose to be
karter friendly, is that the setup would make sense and not be overly
complicated.
CR
Chuck Voboril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jay,
While a 6 speed might mean something to some people, F500 ought to look
carefully at more than that.
In my experience, most people, once they see the solid rear end and lack of
coils springs and lack of true shocks just shake their heads and walk away.
They think: "big, evil handling go-kart that will hurt my back".
I reckon that most of the Solo and road racing population with true shocks
has been totally spoiled by the magic that those devices perform.
Just as a 6 speed may not be any faster than a CVT,
it doesn't matter a bit to them if you are quick with rubber pucks
It is a perception thing too.
>From my own standpoint, I wouldn't leave the class if these cars had
coils
overs, IRS, and wings;
the powerplant woudn't matter as much as long as it fed a CVT.
I'd still prefer a CVT very much because the faster you go in Solo the less
you care to take even a finger off of the steering wheel.
Chuck
>From: "Jay Novak"
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To:
>Subject: [F500] engines
>Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:43:11 -0400
>
>I am starting this thread to simply start a dialog on the subject of
>alternative drive trains, so do not send the assassins.
>
>I am of the opinion that we need a 4 stroke engine with a conventional
>transmission for our class to survive. I would be happy with a 2 stroke
>with a transmission but I do not think there is a production engine
>available.
>
>I am not saying that we eliminate the 500cc w/CVT combination, but only
>that
>we have a competitive alternative engine that has a conventional 6 speed
>transmission.
>
>I say this because we need to generate lots of new interest in F500 or we
>have a good chance of losing our national status in a few years.
>
>Thanks ... Jay Novak
>
>
>
>
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