From: Chris Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [F500] Converting FF2000 to F1000 instead
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:02:23 -0700 (PDT)
Dave, most of the abuse with a clutch has to do with slipping it, either
between shifts or from a dead stop. The clutch will be locked up 99.9% of
the time. I've been racing shifter karts for some time, on the 125's I
don't think in 3 seasons I ever replaced a clutch. On the motocross bikes,
it was 2x a season at least. You slip the heck out of 125 clutch on a
motocross track.
How many miles do you get from a car's clutch that's city driven vs a
vehicle that's highway?
CR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, you're saying the additional weight of the vehicle beyond the weight
of
the intended application (i.e., motorcycles) will not place an additional
burden on the driveline (which includes the clutch and gearbox)?
Explanation please.
Dave Gill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Reinhardt"
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [F500] Converting FF2000 to F1000 instead
> Chuck, I don't think anybody is saying that MC engines will save the
> world, the point is something needs to change to improve attendence and
> bring new blood into the class.
> BTW, clutches will not be an issues other than if you slip the heck out
> of them coming out of the pits, the issue will be rounding off the dogs
on
> the gears. You never touch the clutch other than starting or stopping.
>
> CR
>
> Chuck Voboril wrote:
> There are no free lunches.
> Running at the top of the pack always involves work.
> If you truly want to win-you better NOT be drinking beer when you could
be
> working on your car-even if it is just checking every bolt for tightness
> on
> a spec Miata.
>
> I have heard of racers who went back to FF1600 because it was more fun
and
> about as time intensive and expensive as running at the top of the pack
in
> Spec Miata.
>
> It all depends what you are willing to settle for in terms of finishing
> postion as to how much work you put in in many cases.
>
> MC engines, transmissions, and shifters will thwart people just as
easily
> as
> any other motor combo.
>
> I have been with a DSR racer who bent valves in a MC engine during
> practice
> and had to swap out the motor overnight. Others have problems with their
> transmission shifting or with the clutch. Remember, an oval track
> minisprint
> doesn't shift very much. Pretty easy on the clutch, shifter and tranny.
> With a very low final drive, that also takes a lot of stress off the
> tranny.
>
> One can also look at ANY racing near the top as an intelligence test for
> their them and their team (if they have one).
>
> If one is smart about it, one will NOT be excessively struggling to keep
> their motor from burning down or doing a ton of work to get their
> clutching
> correct at every major event.
>
> If you do not wish to work really hard on your CAR (whatever it is)-then
> go
> to an indoor go-kart track instead, or just be resigned to running mid
to
> botton of pack.
>
>
> Incidently, running at the TOP of the indoor kart track pyramid also
> involves time and money.
>
> Locally, the father and son who have repeatedly been 1 and 2 out of
about
> 55,000 customers at the F1 Factory on Washington street, have to spend
> every
> spare minute at the track driving or else be working to get more money
to
> spend on track time.
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>>Reply-To: [email protected]
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: Re: [F500] Converting FF2000 to F1000 instead
>>Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:23:04 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>>
>>EXACTLY Chris...glad someone else gets it. Let's not forget to mention
>>better potential reliability with the proposed "ALTERNATIVE" package.
>>Honestly, what other class spends more time working on their cars at the
>>track than us? None...including CSR, DSR, F1000 or those stupid mini
stock
>>car wanna-be's that have motorcycle engines in them. We all watch them
as
>>they walk by us going to the social on Saturday afternoon to drink free
>>beer. We're usually the first to get there, the last to leave and the
>>busiest during the day...atleast if you're running up front that is.
It's
>>been like that for the past 5 years that I've raced 500's and I've seen
if
>>from others I've competed against as well. That's why we do have the
>>friendliest class b/c we spend all our time helping each other repair
our
>>cars or loaning out spare parts to fix them. I know some of you are
>>laughing right now at the truth of this!
>>
>>At the Road Atlanta national, Dan and Clint spent a boat load of time
>>working on his and my 500 (both engine related), not to mention Clint
>>staying at the track later that evening to help put a spare 494 in Chuck
>>McAbee's car so he could make the race. The next weekend at the regional
>>at CMP, I watched Mark Lindsey's team spend a good bit of time working
on
>>his two cars as well as Greg Rheile having to leave early based on a
>>component failure (not engine related) that he was unable to repair in
>>time
>>to make the race.
>>
>>I was able to observe all of this b/c all I had to do was check oil, lug
>>nuts and tire pressures on my Spec Miata that I was racing for those 3
>>races! I also made every practice & qualifying session plus finished
every
>>lap of each race. I can't say the same for the majority of the 500's
I've
>>mentioned here.
>>
>>js
>>
>>
>>"Chuck, IMHO in the case of the F500 conversion, you end up with car you
>>can work on and tune without an engineering degree."
>
>
>
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