Gee, what size tires are they using and what final ratio are they using??? Chuck, I keep trying to explain you can't compare..... BTW we ran Barnett Kevlar clutches on the race bikes... CR
Chuck Voboril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gee, the guys that I know put aftermarket clutches and disks in their Kaw powered DSR's. Maybe the new bikes are better. Chuck >From: Chris Reinhardt >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [F500] Converting FF2000 to F1000 instead >Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:02:23 -0700 (PDT) > > Dave, most of the abuse with a clutch has to do with slipping it, either >between shifts or from a dead stop. The clutch will be locked up 99.9% of >the time. I've been racing shifter karts for some time, on the 125's I >don't think in 3 seasons I ever replaced a clutch. On the motocross bikes, >it was 2x a season at least. You slip the heck out of 125 clutch on a >motocross track. > How many miles do you get from a car's clutch that's city driven vs a >vehicle that's highway? > > CR > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So, you're saying the additional weight of the vehicle beyond the weight >of >the intended application (i.e., motorcycles) will not place an additional >burden on the driveline (which includes the clutch and gearbox)? > >Explanation please. > >Dave Gill > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Reinhardt" >To: >Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:18 AM >Subject: Re: [F500] Converting FF2000 to F1000 instead > > > > Chuck, I don't think anybody is saying that MC engines will save the > > world, the point is something needs to change to improve attendence and > > bring new blood into the class. > > BTW, clutches will not be an issues other than if you slip the heck out > > of them coming out of the pits, the issue will be rounding off the dogs >on > > the gears. You never touch the clutch other than starting or stopping. > > > > CR > > > > Chuck Voboril wrote: > > There are no free lunches. > > Running at the top of the pack always involves work. > > If you truly want to win-you better NOT be drinking beer when you could >be > > working on your car-even if it is just checking every bolt for tightness > > on > > a spec Miata. > > > > I have heard of racers who went back to FF1600 because it was more fun >and > > about as time intensive and expensive as running at the top of the pack >in > > Spec Miata. > > > > It all depends what you are willing to settle for in terms of finishing > > postion as to how much work you put in in many cases. > > > > MC engines, transmissions, and shifters will thwart people just as >easily > > as > > any other motor combo. > > > > I have been with a DSR racer who bent valves in a MC engine during > > practice > > and had to swap out the motor overnight. Others have problems with their > > transmission shifting or with the clutch. Remember, an oval track > > minisprint > > doesn't shift very much. Pretty easy on the clutch, shifter and tranny. > > With a very low final drive, that also takes a lot of stress off the > > tranny. > > > > One can also look at ANY racing near the top as an intelligence test for > > their them and their team (if they have one). > > > > If one is smart about it, one will NOT be excessively struggling to keep > > their motor from burning down or doing a ton of work to get their > > clutching > > correct at every major event. > > > > If you do not wish to work really hard on your CAR (whatever it is)-then > > go > > to an indoor go-kart track instead, or just be resigned to running mid >to > > botton of pack. > > > > > > Incidently, running at the TOP of the indoor kart track pyramid also > > involves time and money. > > > > Locally, the father and son who have repeatedly been 1 and 2 out of >about > > 55,000 customers at the F1 Factory on Washington street, have to spend > > every > > spare minute at the track driving or else be working to get more money >to > > spend on track time. > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > >>Reply-To: [email protected] > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: Re: [F500] Converting FF2000 to F1000 instead > >>Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:23:04 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > >> > >>EXACTLY Chris...glad someone else gets it. Let's not forget to mention > >>better potential reliability with the proposed "ALTERNATIVE" package. > >>Honestly, what other class spends more time working on their cars at the > >>track than us? None...including CSR, DSR, F1000 or those stupid mini >stock > >>car wanna-be's that have motorcycle engines in them. We all watch them >as > >>they walk by us going to the social on Saturday afternoon to drink free > >>beer. We're usually the first to get there, the last to leave and the > >>busiest during the day...atleast if you're running up front that is. >It's > >>been like that for the past 5 years that I've raced 500's and I've seen >if > >>from others I've competed against as well. That's why we do have the > >>friendliest class b/c we spend all our time helping each other repair >our > >>cars or loaning out spare parts to fix them. I know some of you are > >>laughing right now at the truth of this! > >> > >>At the Road Atlanta national, Dan and Clint spent a boat load of time > >>working on his and my 500 (both engine related), not to mention Clint > >>staying at the track later that evening to help put a spare 494 in Chuck > >>McAbee's car so he could make the race. The next weekend at the regional > >>at CMP, I watched Mark Lindsey's team spend a good bit of time working >on > >>his two cars as well as Greg Rheile having to leave early based on a > >>component failure (not engine related) that he was unable to repair in > >>time > >>to make the race. > >> > >>I was able to observe all of this b/c all I had to do was check oil, lug > >>nuts and tire pressures on my Spec Miata that I was racing for those 3 > >>races! I also made every practice & qualifying session plus finished >every > >>lap of each race. I can't say the same for the majority of the 500's >I've > >>mentioned here. > >> > >>js > >> > >> > >>"Chuck, IMHO in the case of the F500 conversion, you end up with car you > >>can work on and tune without an engineering degree." > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > >--------------------------------- >Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! 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