--- In [email protected], "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Vaj writes: > Well you seem to be describing the same experience I have, but I have > to tell you: I certainly do not consider myself enlightened. I have > certainty of the View of Unity. > It is very plain, utterly simple. But it's not full awakening.
> Tom T: > I don't consider myself enlightened either because that word has way > too many loaded meanings. I am content with Awake because that is my > experience. Tom, However, in recent posts you said Brahman has been attained. And in the past you talked a lot (as it appeared to me) about having attained Brahaman Consciousness. Has your interpretation of your experiences and understandings changed from those over the last year or so? I am all for simplicity of expression regarding experiences and undertandings. Putting labels on people doesnt seem either practical or useful. However, looking at the characterics, in and of themselves, of various sets of experiences and understandings has some value IMO. Your recent posts describing characteristics of your experiences and understandings raise a basic question in this regard. They seem to be, for the most part, articulations of CC turiya type experiences and understandings. As Vaj said the other day -- something to the effect -- I just dont get the UC/BC aspect of these experiences. And Vaj has brought up numerous elements that traditionally are associated with BC/UC which don't seem enlivened in your experiences and understandings. Your use of the term Brahman may be the stumbling block, for some, in understanding your posts. You characterize Brahman as the experiencer. That could be seen as a cc turiya experience. However the use of the term Brahman may have lead some, possibly you included, to interpret the turiya experience as BC. When you replace Brahamn with Atman or Inner Wakefulness or Consciousness or Self as the experiencer, it is consistent with most turiya descriptions. Can you interpreat your experiences / understandings using some or all of these terms instead of Brahman? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
